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ArbitorIan,
I feel your pain. I too am in the Arbites Codex vacuum. I have acutely thought of splitting mine into two different armies, all the bolter type guys in SOB, and just about everything else in IG. I am lucky that most of the people I play and my local GW does not care if I play WH, though it would be nice to play without having to ask someone’s permission first. But to be honest I will stick with WH as long as my opponent is ok with it. The FW update really gave them a boost by lowering the cost of Rhinos, chimeras and allowing valkyries as transports for Inquisitorial Storm Troopers & Inquisitors (airborne arbites ). Let us also not forget land raiders as transports for all Inquisitors
I agree with you on the cyber mastiffs. I was planning to use my own as DCA in SOB or GK. With the exception of the losing the T5 the new DCA rules make them a lot like the old arc-flagellants. I have found that GK is a tough codex to try and change over to. It has a lot of perks, but you lose shotguns, grenade launchers, exorcists, and if you want to take any heavies they have to be mind-lock ridden servitors and if your army is anything like mine you have plenty of all of these. When ever I look at it I feel IG is closest to what we had, we lose heavy weapons and rhinos but the rest can fit in some way.
If you do decide to run Kyrinov I would suggest that you don’t put him in the conclave keep him back and let them be in his bubble. To give the conclave the righteous rage put a priest in. They are not that expensive and can have an eviscerator if you get stuck in CC with a walker. For the rest I like the list, retributors don’t get enough respect.

your list looks sound, just minor stuff your tweeking. Practice using counter assault units from rhinos and your golden! Good luck.

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:ArbitorIan,
I feel your pain. I too am in the Arbites Codex vacuum. I have acutely thought of splitting mine into two different armies, all the bolter type guys in SOB, and just about everything else in IG. I am lucky that most of the people I play and my local GW does not care if I play WH, though it would be nice to play without having to ask someone’s permission first. But to be honest I will stick with WH as long as my opponent is ok with it. The FW update really gave them a boost by lowering the cost of Rhinos, chimeras and allowing valkyries as transports for Inquisitorial Storm Troopers & Inquisitors (airborne arbites ). Let us also not forget land raiders as transports for all Inquisitors
I agree with you on the cyber mastiffs. I was planning to use my own as DCA in SOB or GK. With the exception of the losing the T5 the new DCA rules make them a lot like the old arc-flagellants. I have found that GK is a tough codex to try and change over to. It has a lot of perks, but you lose shotguns, grenade launchers, exorcists, and if you want to take any heavies they have to be mind-lock ridden servitors and if your army is anything like mine you have plenty of all of these. When ever I look at it I feel IG is closest to what we had, we lose heavy weapons and rhinos but the rest can fit in some way.
If you do decide to run Kyrinov I would suggest that you don’t put him in the conclave keep him back and let them be in his bubble. To give the conclave the righteous rage put a priest in. They are not that expensive and can have an eviscerator if you get stuck in CC with a walker. For the rest I like the list, retributors don’t get enough respect.

Aha - I know what you mean. At the moment, I'm treating it like an advantage, and setting up the army so that it can function as all sorts of Codexes. All of them lose something - the IG option is great for regular Arbites, but I'd have to count my Exorcists and Immolators as Manticores and Hellhounds, and I'm not sure that would wash with many opponents.

If you're playing in a non-tournament environment, I'd thoroughly recommend the BOLS mini-dex, though. It's about as official as fandexes get, and it's very well done. Features pretty much everything you ever wanted in an Arbites army, has some good army wide special rules, and isn't overpowered.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2008/11/play-aid-adeptus-arbites-mini-dex-from.html

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
If you do decide to run Kyrinov I would suggest that you don’t put him in the conclave keep him back and let them be in his bubble. To give the conclave the righteous rage put a priest in. They are not that expensive and can have an eviscerator if you get stuck in CC with a walker. For the rest I like the list, retributors don’t get enough respect.

I have this in my 2000pt list and it expensive. 70 pnts to get a priest and eviscerator though I have seen it work many times for us. People just dont like it when you run up to them and say I hit on 3s re-roll misses with DCA. Though my BCs are built really different than alot of peoples. I run 4 DCA 2 Crusader 3 Arcos this gives me majority WS 5 I did like the 5 Toughness and the power weapon attacks but I like them even better now it gives me some light transport busting capabilities 15 str 5 attacks on the charge re-rolling misses and 3 str 6 Double dice penetration makes for a squad of DCA to not have to get worried about a Dreadnought tying them up. I like to use a Multi assault technique that allows me to hit a vehicle if i can with the priest just to see it I can take it out. BTW remember the preist is an IC so he can get punked, though you should never even get to him in combat if things are going your way.

ArbitorIan wrote:Aha - I know what you mean. At the moment, I'm treating it like an advantage, and setting up the army so that it can function as all sorts of Codexes. All of them lose something - the IG option is great for regular Arbites, but I'd have to count my Exorcists and Immolators as Manticores and Hellhounds, and I'm not sure that would wash with many opponents.

If you're playing in a non-tournament environment, I'd thoroughly recommend the BOLS mini-dex, though. It's about as official as fandexes get, and it's very well done. Features pretty much everything you ever wanted in an Arbites army, has some good army wide special rules, and isn't overpowered.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2008/11/play-aid-adeptus-arbites-mini-dex-from.html

I have looked at the BOLS dex it is nice but something doesn't sit well with me that you can't put 2 grenade launchers in a troop squad that should be a standard and I have about 16 cyber-mastifs that would not get much use in there. Other wise I kinda like it.

For IG though I am looking for a way to make a detachable heavy bolter on my exorcists so they can double as manticores which I hear can rock in games.

Just pintle a heavy flamer or HB. I do not glue down my copulas and switch out the plain one for weapon ones when I want to spend the points.

Inquisitor_Dunn wrote:Just pintle a heavy flamer or HB. I do not glue down my copulas and switch out the plain one for weapon ones when I want to spend the points.

Agreed this makes your vehicles have more configurations.

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:For IG though I am looking for a way to make a detachable heavy bolter on my exorcists so they can double as manticores which I hear can rock in games.

Aha - all in my blog - I rebuilt a Rhino front with a magnestised 'viewport' so it can double as a weapon mount, then cast it in instamold for all my Rhinos, in case I ever want to use them as Chimeras. Not sure it would pass tournament muster though - might be confusing...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/346076.page

I don't see why a tournament would have a problem with it, its a GW model. If it is a problem with the armour value thats all really a none issue when you consider that a rhino and predator have different armour when it is the same model.

Size and profile difference, probably.

pretre wrote:Size and profile difference, probably.

I can see that argument, but there is not very much difference between a rhino model and a chimera. It may be just me but if I went anywhere that was that anal I just wouldn’t think it is worth playing, but most tournament organizers are kinda understanding if the model looks cool. The most important rule in the book is “to have fun”. Sometimes I miss it but that kind of stuff makes me glad my tournament days are behind me.


ArbitorIan,
I just had an idea for my own guys and it might help you too. I don’t have a lot of bolters or meltaguns either. If you are only putting 2 meltas in the dominions why not put those in a battle sister’s squad. For dominions give the sister superior and all 4 dominions storm bolters and just use your shotgun models. Call them arbite shotguns with executioner rounds. You can at least get a few more squads to work with that way. Though not overly powerful they can lay down a lot of shots for few points into something week and out flank in an immolator. Or do the same thing with 3 storm bolters and two flamers is not a bad option either "fire is my friend"