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SDFarsight wrote:

juraigamer wrote:It's not fine, all it does is promote WAAC players. Paint your stuff to your codex, or use a special pain scheme so we can't tell by looking what chapter it is. Using normal marines for GK or chaos though, I absolutely don't allow.

Not even for short-term trials? And I don't know why you're getting hung-up on Ultramarines being Blood Angels etc; it's not like they're using Ork Meganobs for Deathcult assassins or having 3 IG squads which are all identical apart from the number of models and then saying- "that one is a terminator squad, that one is a Command Squad, that one is a Tatical Squad with one lascannon.."

my point exactly... I honestly see no problem with it, so long as its not breaking the rules. there are various sections of armies that can a lot like others.

I'm not a huge fan of it. I mean if he mods stuff or puts a little effort into the change sure but just walking around with smurfs and using 5 codexes no.

What You See is What You Get is all that matters.

Emerett wrote:What You See is What You Get is all that matters.

Words of a very wise man.

Didn't we do this thread last week?

Do watcha like with your toys; if someone's so uptight about the color of your marines, they probably would be fun to play with anyway.

When first choosing an army? sure, after that I generally frown upon it since it gets very unfluffy sometimes for the sake of WAAC while no other army can do that without being at the least ,questionable....

If your cross breeding two Codices then sure, I'm very much against it, but if your using one codex as a way to show a different side to another army then I don't care really. so long as you and your opponant know whats going on, I don't see the problem.

WAAC players are going to exist no matter what. They are just people who hate to lose and like to run home to their mothers and cry about how "unfair" the game was to begin with.

Yes i do, that is the exact reason why i picked space marines. WYSIWYG is the only thing that matter.


To the fluffiness loonies that want to enforce otherwise, if it were for them, you could write off, Half the black library, spacemarine move, spacemarine ps3 game and a ton of other crap that does not fit gameplay vs fluff as intended on the rules.

Totally gonna field Orks as them shiny gits.

Smitty wrote:Totally gonna field Orks as them shiny gits.

That's actually an awesome idea. Boyz with nemesis force weapons....cybork boyz as termis.... hmmmm

Approve is too strong a word.

I just do not care.

Considering I am collecting (or going to) collect Death Korps stuff, I can't see myself not Codex hopping like hell, playing with the FW rules agaisnt those who want and regular IG agaisnt the rest.

Bobthehero wrote:Considering I am collecting (or going to) collect Death Korps stuff, I can't see myself not Codex hopping like hell, playing with the FW rules agaisnt those who want and regular IG agaisnt the rest.

Tbh, outside of tourneys I can't see people having a problem with you using the DKoK list tbh, its not like its over powered or superbuff or anything...

I know, but... haters gonna hate applies there.

Not going to show up to a tourney anytime soon either, so the whole IG hopping can wait.

Idk about hating because I love that icon Bob's using regardless of his army. lol that pic causes endless lols cause it reminds me of jokes and codex fury my friend andrew has. He loves the sob and hates the gk + fluff. lol

Snatched it on 1d4 chan, look for Khornate Knights to view the picture in its full glory.

I'm ok with it unless it is for a stupid reason. I don't like people changing because of power gaming reasons.

agnosto wrote:Didn't we do this thread last week?

Do watcha like with your toys; if someone's so uptight about the color of your marines, they probably wouldn't be fun to play with anyway.

Agree with this.
Do you own a million bugs? Tired of your lame codex? Give all your termagants lasguns and start a guard army! etc.

to be honest, I use ponys as bikes (both codex marine and raven wing) and ad mech as crons/henchmen so I really cant say no to codex hopping. so long as I know what I'm fighting its fine by me

DPBellathrom wrote:to be honest, I use ponys as bikes (both codex marine and raven wing) and ad mech as crons/henchmen so I really cant say no to codex hopping. so long as I know what I'm fighting its fine by me

Tbh thats more a "themed" army rather than codex hopping.

I voted 'yes'.

As long as the model is representative of what it's supposed to be, then "What You See is What You Get", especially if informed as to this beforehand. If an army is using every legal squad and wargear option from the Space Wolves Codex, and they are painted like Flesh-Tearers, but their owing player tells you what's going on before the game, what exactly is the problem?

Creativity in this hobby is more important than 'the holy fluff of GW', provided you follow all the established rules.

I don't feel it's my place to tell other people how they get to enjoy the game. If every time a new power armor codex comes they pick it up and use their army to play it, so be it - that's their prerogative.

I don't do it myself, but I'm not going to get up on a high horse simply because I keep on using my brown and green vanilla marines while someone else has gone blood angels - space wolves - grey knights.

I'm a black Templar player, who sometimes hops to chaos marines, but i don't think its to bad because i actually own a demon prince and a squad of thousand sons. I just only use regular marines, to represent other regular marines.

I'm definitely much more situational... If I am playing a one off game with a random at a local shop, and happen to play the same person a couple weeks down the road and they are using a different book with the same models, it's cool.

If I am playing in a campaign and someone is playing, say marines (since its the focus of the thread apparently).. and they start the campaign with vanilla marines 'dex, but suddenly show up with a BA dex.. that's a no go for sure... There could potentially be exceptions to that, like, if for story reasons the eldar faction becomes the Dark variety, or one of the "loyalist" marine factions turns renegade and the group thinks itd be ok to go from Eldar to DE, or SM to CSM, and agreed upon before hand. Just not on a whim.

Everything that gets people more fun-milage out of their plastic toys is generally a good thing. An army list at the end of a Codex is just a random list of number at the end of the day after all.

I think the basis of this discussion is pretty much about open one-off games, or tournaments. In campaigns, I obviously think you have to stick with one army and codex the whole way through.

These are examples of what I would say seems from many posts I've read as being frowned upon by some, but I can't possible fathom why. They are all SM examples, because those have the most books to draw from.

-Blood Angels rules used to represent pre-Heresy World Eaters and their blood-thirstyness. (The Death companies are to represent the marines that have faulty combat implants and so are madmen berzerkers.)

-The exact same codex used to represent (modern) World Eaters who are a standard marine force who don't use daemons.

-Iron Warriors using the vanilla Marine Codex for all the vehicles.

Now, all those are pretty heavy re-themes, where you are converting models to look the part they are playing. But how about this:

-A player loves the Ultramarines and their "look" but wants to field a really unique version of the 8th reserve company and their loarge numbers of assault marines that can pilot bikes, land speeders and tanks. So they use the Dark Angels codex to give all their vehicles and bikes a Ravenwing-style theme.

-Grey Knights rules and models painted dark grey to represent the Exorcists chapter.



Hell, the conservatives on the other thread are even trying to claim that you can't even use a model in any army unless GW has given express purpose for that model to be in said army! So you cannot use robed marines for Space Wolves, as they aren't meant for that.

rockerbikie wrote:I'm ok with it unless it is for a stupid reason. I don't like people changing because of power gaming reasons.

Unless said people straight out tells you how do you know the reason for hopping?
Can you make that guess objectively?

I wouldn't refuse to play against it but even with marines I do dislike the idea. If you bring a painted army with whatever coulors and pull out a BA codex i wouldn't be bothered one bit I would just thinks thats your paint scheme. But if you pull out some painted Ultramarines with the symbols of an Ultramarine and everything then pull out a Blood Angels or Space Wolf codex I am not going to lie here I would be kinda annoyed by it. I would keep it to myself though. But I just thnk if you pull out Ultramarines I would expect you to use their codex. If its a financial issue and plan to buy the models when you can then fair enough but if you only got the Codex cause it is better than yours it is not cool. If your army doesnt have a dex fair enough but ultramarines and salmanders do have a dex. If it is for fluff reason like world eaters then go ahead i think it would be very cool for you to use the Blood Angels codex. As it represents them well.



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Also with outated codexes I still wouldnt be happy. Why should someone get to use BT as a more powerful dex. As a Tau player I cant just pull out a more powerful codex can i. Why should codecies like BT and DA be any different.

If you are using a different Codex to have some variety and fun, I say go for it, as long as the models are the same race as the codex, and they are armed and grouped according to the rules for the squads they are representing. Who am I to kill someone else's fun, especially in a situation that is different from the norm. Now, if you permanently want to switch over to BA from Ultras, you should go the distance, that's part of the hobby.


Visually, for instance, if you wanting to see what the SW codex plays like, and so for a squad you are using an 8-man Blood Angels tactical squad with a flamer to represent an 8-man Gray Hunters squad with a flamer, I say big effing deal. Lots of times in 3rd edition i would field my Legion of the Damned with either the Cursed Founding rules, or just Codex: SM for simple games.

Either way it's 8 Space marine figures holding bolt-guns, with one having a flamer instead. However we get attached to our figures, at the end of the day they are just pawns. It doesn't matter if the guy with Ultramarine heraldry is using the BA codex. As long as they are completely using the codex, they are following the same rules as a guy with actual BA painted marines. No one is getting any sort of advantage there.

Now, you simply can't use Eldar as Orks, because it's too confusing as to which race I have to remember I'm fighting. Of course, if you convert your Eldar to look the part, I'll seriously think about it.

But normally, if you want to codex-hop against me for one-off games, Eldar must be eldar models, marines must be marine models, etc.

Also with outated codexes I still wouldnt be happy. Why should someone get to use BT as a more powerful dex. As a Tau player I cant just pull out a more powerful codex can i. Why should codecies like BT and DA be any different.

Like I said above. I don't understand the issue. If you play a guy one week that's using his BT (legally built) as DA, and then next week a different guy using literal actual DA as DA, it's still a level playing field. All that changed from one player to the next is some pigment over plastic/metal. No rules were changed.

agnosto wrote:

Smitty wrote:Totally gonna field Orks as them shiny gits.

That's actually an awesome idea. Boyz with nemesis force weapons....cybork boyz as termis.... hmmmm

Actually, I was referring to the Eldar. I guess I should have said "Pansees".