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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 12:31:04
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Whoopty wrote:
"I think every female should be raped at the age of 3. I also think that every muslim man woman and child should be round up and shot." I don't know about you, but I would prefer to live in a society where saying that kind of crap doesn't stand.
You just did say it. Hurray. You should be allowed to be cause they're just words.
Sticks and stones and all that 
If I can be arrested for giving an example like that then actors can be arrested anytime they play a villain. Get real.
Saying There are some people out there who think it is okay to rape children =/= I think it is okay to rape children.
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sebster wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Its a known fact that Aussies are genetically disposed towards crime, we intentionally set them up that way.
But only awesome crimes like bushranging and, if I understand the song correctly, sheep stealing and suicide. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 12:32:22
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Whoopty wrote:Pretty sure someone should address the fact that someone made these comments on Twitter.
Twitter can now get you arrested.
For serious?
Nobody has the right to not be offended. If you don't like what someone's saying, don't listen, don't read it. It really is that simple.
"I think every female should be raped at the age of 3. I also think that every muslim man woman and child should be round up and shot." I don't know about you, but I would prefer to live in a society where saying that kind of crap doesn't stand.
You just did say it. Hurray. You should be allowed to be cause they're just words.
Sticks and stones and all that 
Hey Mikey, I think he gets it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 12:33:29
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Whoopty wrote:Pretty sure someone should address the fact that someone made these comments on Twitter.
Twitter can now get you arrested.
For serious?
Nobody has the right to not be offended. If you don't like what someone's saying, don't listen, don't read it. It really is that simple.
"I think every female should be raped at the age of 3. I also think that every muslim man woman and child should be round up and shot." I don't know about you, but I would prefer to live in a society where saying that kind of crap doesn't stand.
You just did say it. Hurray. You should be allowed to be cause they're just words.
Sticks and stones and all that 
Not quite.
He was arrested for sending these messages to specific people. Which I really don't see is any different (speed aside ) from sending people abusive letters which has been illegal since verylongtimecan'tbearsedtocheckthedate.
If he'd just made the single, stupid and crude comment, he'd ( probably) be scot free. But as soon you start sending the messages to specific people then you cross a line and reap what you sow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 12:44:22
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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FunkyLemonade wrote:reds8n wrote:Frazzled wrote:Hazardous Harry wrote:KingCracker wrote:Heh, no thanks. You guys can have your "Freedom of speech" Ill gladly keep mine. Sure it can be a pain in the ass at times, but at least I know I can freely say my opinions/views without being put in handcuffs for it.
Laws are (generally) designed to reflect what society does or does not find acceptable. Amazingly, we happen to find that saying such racist and offensive statements is not acceptable.
So does China.
They execute people too....
.. like America !
Oh snap!
You mean they stay on death row for years as appeal after appeal after appeal are made?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 12:49:07
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Brisbane, Australia
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Frazzled wrote:FunkyLemonade wrote:reds8n wrote:Frazzled wrote:Hazardous Harry wrote:KingCracker wrote:Heh, no thanks. You guys can have your "Freedom of speech" Ill gladly keep mine. Sure it can be a pain in the ass at times, but at least I know I can freely say my opinions/views without being put in handcuffs for it.
Laws are (generally) designed to reflect what society does or does not find acceptable. Amazingly, we happen to find that saying such racist and offensive statements is not acceptable.
So does China.
They execute people too....
.. like America !
Oh snap!
You mean they stay on death row for years as appeal after appeal after appeal are made?
43 executions last year.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/latest-world-news/2012/03/27/usa-the-only-western-democracy-to-execute-prisoners-last-year-91466-30633120/
Don't get me wrong, I have little issue with handing down the death sentence to some kind of scum. But this only proves that Reds8n has a point.
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sebster wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Its a known fact that Aussies are genetically disposed towards crime, we intentionally set them up that way.
But only awesome crimes like bushranging and, if I understand the song correctly, sheep stealing and suicide. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 12:51:35
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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The Death Sentence should go as follows.
If its a slam dunk case, with no possible room for the guilty to not be guilty, the person in question should be executed as soon as the paper work is filled out. So, 20-and hour Id say?
If theres a chance that the accused could be innocent, then they should be allowed 1 well planned appeal, a year from then. If still found guilty, read #1
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 12:55:03
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Brisbane, Australia
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KingCracker wrote:The Death Sentence should go as follows.
If its a slam dunk case, with no possible room for the guilty to not be guilty, the person in question should be executed as soon as the paper work is filled out. So, 20-and hour Id say?
If theres a chance that the accused could be innocent, then they should be allowed 1 well planned appeal, a year from then. If still found guilty, read #1
If there is a chance that the accused could be innocent, how were they convicted in the first place? It's only reasonable doubt, not balance of evidence.
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sebster wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Its a known fact that Aussies are genetically disposed towards crime, we intentionally set them up that way.
But only awesome crimes like bushranging and, if I understand the song correctly, sheep stealing and suicide. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 12:58:59
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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It happens all the time mate. 20/20 has made a good living doing shows about it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:03:54
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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KingCracker wrote:The Death Sentence should go as follows.
If its a slam dunk case, with no possible room for the guilty to not be guilty, the person in question should be executed as soon as the paper work is filled out. So, 20-and hour Id say?
If theres a chance that the accused could be innocent, then they should be allowed 1 well planned appeal, a year from then. If still found guilty, read #1
i thought you were going to type, "in a slam dunk case, defendants should be slammed and dunked."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:08:50
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Brisbane, Australia
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KingCracker wrote:It happens all the time mate. 20/20 has made a good living doing shows about it
I'm just saying that this would put a lot of murderers out on the street.
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sebster wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Its a known fact that Aussies are genetically disposed towards crime, we intentionally set them up that way.
But only awesome crimes like bushranging and, if I understand the song correctly, sheep stealing and suicide. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:12:35
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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I dont think it would, our current, endless appeals hasnt really done that, so how would getting 1 appeal work better then a gak load exactly? Automatically Appended Next Post: Frazzled wrote:KingCracker wrote:The Death Sentence should go as follows.
If its a slam dunk case, with no possible room for the guilty to not be guilty, the person in question should be executed as soon as the paper work is filled out. So, 20-and hour Id say?
If theres a chance that the accused could be innocent, then they should be allowed 1 well planned appeal, a year from then. If still found guilty, read #1
i thought you were going to type, "in a slam dunk case, defendants should be slammed and dunked."
If I ever became a Politician, you would be my writer. Weather you wanted to or not
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:22:45
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Brisbane, Australia
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KingCracker wrote:I dont think it would, our current, endless appeals hasnt really done that, so how would getting 1 appeal work better then a gak load exactly?
I mean having the whole "You will be executed depending on how strong the evidence is against you." If you can argue it's not strong enough to be put on the fast route for execution, it could easily be stretched to an argument for reasonable doubt.
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sebster wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Its a known fact that Aussies are genetically disposed towards crime, we intentionally set them up that way.
But only awesome crimes like bushranging and, if I understand the song correctly, sheep stealing and suicide. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:31:34
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Hey here is a good point..
If this fether is in prison for 56 days..
Why the feth is Dianne Abbot not in prison!?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16423278
hadow Health Minister Diane Abbott has apologised for any offence caused by comments she made on Twitter, after claims they were racist.
She said she had not meant to generalise when she wrote: ''White people love playing 'divide & rule'".
It was a response to criticism of media use of "black community leaders" after the Stephen Lawrence murder trial.
Labour's Chuka Umunna said party leader Ed Miliband had told Ms Abbott her remarks were "unacceptable".
In a statement, Ms Abbott said: "I apologise for any offence caused.
"I understand people have interpreted my comments as making generalisations about white people. I do not believe in doing that."
On topic, I agree with Frazzled, I don't think you should be able to send a bloke to prison for being a racist arsehole and I don't think the UK does have freedom of speech. Ive long complained that Muslims get away with saying far more offensive gak than white people do, and they blatantly do. Anjem Choudary has said time and time and time again that he supports the murder of our citizens, and he isn't in prison.
Im sure that there are numerous twitter users who daily post racially offensive gak, especially Scottish people.
This kid was unlucky plain and simple, said footballer got loads of headlines, but I guarantee that equally racist gak is said on twitter on a daily basis. There are millions of user and plenty of ignorant racists.
Score one to the USA on this one, because this lad being in prison and people like Anjem being free to walk the streets is a travesty of justice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:39:06
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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I think him being arrested for this is utterly outrageous. I am 17 and still at sixth form, we had a caretaker at our school that turned out to be a pedophile and had a couple of hundred images of kids on his computer. He received a 9 month suspended sentence. Yet a drunk student who writes a status on twitter (albeit racist) is imprisoned.
God i am proud to be British...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:41:16
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Brisbane, Australia
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TH3FALL3N wrote:I think him being arrested for this is utterly outrageous. I am 17 and still at sixth form, we had a caretaker at our school that turned out to be a pedophile and had a couple of hundred images of kids on his computer. He received a 9 month suspended sentence. Yet a drunk student who writes a status on twitter (albeit racist) is imprisoned.
God i am proud to be British...
That might be more a case of the sentencing judge being an absolute idiot with regards to your caretaker. How did you know what evidence was being presented in the trial?
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sebster wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Its a known fact that Aussies are genetically disposed towards crime, we intentionally set them up that way.
But only awesome crimes like bushranging and, if I understand the song correctly, sheep stealing and suicide. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:45:22
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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I don't know what's more terrifying: the fact that you can be arrested for saying dumb things in Britain or the fact that British people think this is okay.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:45:33
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Frazzled wrote:So...I'm right. You don't have freedom of speech, only freedom of approved speech.
The founding fadas were right. We needed the First Amendment.
Which still, under your definition, only gives "freedom of approved speech". The first amendment allows for numerous strong restrictions on speech, which is why you can't slander or libel people without consequences, you can't threaten people, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater, etc etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:46:36
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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TH3FALL3N wrote:I think him being arrested for this is utterly outrageous. I am 17 and still at sixth form, we had a caretaker at our school that turned out to be a pedophile and had a couple of hundred images of kids on his computer. He received a 9 month suspended sentence. Yet a drunk student who writes a status on twitter (albeit racist) is imprisoned.
God i am proud to be British...
Exactly.. look at this one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8939276/Mercy-for-the-drunk-Muslim-girl-gang-who-attacked-woman.html
Mercy for the drunk Muslim girl gang who attacked woman
A girl gang of Somali Muslims who repeatedly kicked a woman in the head during a drunken attack were spared jail after a judge heard that their religion meant they were not used to drinking.
The four defendants shouted “kill the white slag” as they attacked Rhea Page after dragging her to the ground.
Ambaro Maxamed, 24, her sisters Ayan, 28, and Hibo, 24, and their cousin Ifrah Nur, 28, faced up to five years in jail after admitting causing actual bodily harm.
But Judge Robert Brown gave them six-month suspended sentences after deciding that the attack in Leicester city centre was not racially motivated.
He heard in mitigation that the four were not used to alcohol because their religion does not allow it. Miss Page, 22, was so traumatised by the attack that she lost her job as an educational support worker after repeated absences due to stress. She described the sentence as “disgusting”.
Leicester Crown Court heard that Miss Page was attacked as she walked to a taxi rank with her boyfriend Lewis Moore, 23, in June last year. James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said Ambaro Maxamed called Miss Page a “white bitch” and grabbed her hair, making her fall.
Miss Page, who needed hospital treatment after the attack, said outside court: “They were taking turns to kick me in the head and back over and over. I thought they were going to kill me. I honestly think they attacked me just because I was white. I can’t think of any other reason.”
Judge Brown, who also sentenced the three sisters to 150 hours of community work, said he accepted that they may have felt victims of unreasonable force from Mr Moore. But Miss Page insisted her boyfriend had only been trying to protect her. “If he hadn’t been there, I’m sure they would have killed me,” she said.
Have you seen the video as well!?
They fully kick the gak out of her, attack lasts about.. I dunno, 3 minutes?
No jail though.
But calling people names over the internet? Rot in prison scumbag.
You couldnt make this gak up could you? Automatically Appended Next Post: Manchu wrote:I don't know what's more terrifying: the fact that you can be arrested for saying dumb things in Britain or the fact that British people think this is okay.
Only hippies think it's ok. The same liberal elite that are at odds with 90% of the nations inhabitants, and that think its ok for black people to be racist but not anybody else.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:49:56
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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KingCracker wrote:The Death Sentence should go as follows.
If its a slam dunk case, with no possible room for the guilty to not be guilty, the person in question should be executed as soon as the paper work is filled out. So, 20-and hour Id say?
I would go with the UK system used in the last century prior to abolition.
The condemned gets one appeal automatically heard, and it is fast tracked. The appeal may reduce the sentence uphold it without new evidence, or aquit if new evidence is found or old evidence is found unreliable.
This occurs within three weeks of sentencing.
If this appeal fails there is no further appeal. The issue now is to complete the process quickly to avoid undue distress. The condemned person is move to a special cell under individual 24 hour guard. They get access to outside food, newspapers, medical watch, family visits and a priest of any religion they choose. The parameters of the cell were at the time a closely guarded secret as the cell was located adjacent to the execution chamber, which was disguised and soundproofed.
The condemned would be given a minimum of two weeks in the condemned cell, this was in order for the condemned to get their personal affairs in order, and to fulfill religious requirement in good time.
On the day of the execution the executioner and a number of seconds would enter the cell unannounced and would immediately move the condemned person to the execution chamber next door. The gallows, which would be set for a prepared 'long drop' relative to the weight of the condemned, would be normally within 20 feet of the condemned cell sleeping area or the table where the condemned sits. The idea is that the condemned is executed before they have time to panic. Executions would be conducted at breakfast time, not at just after midnight, with a news blackout into the prison for the last 48 hours before execution to avoid undue distress. A good executioner will normally manage to kill the condemned man within half a minute of first entering the cell and almost always occurs by surprise. Long drop gallows are nearly always instantly successful, but do not disfigure the corpse.
'Lingering' last minute appeals are not permitted, the deadline for clemency is approx 24 hours earlier, so politicians, if they wish to have any input, cannot dither.
This advanced method is still in use in Singapore.
If theres a chance that the accused could be innocent, then they should be allowed 1 well planned appeal, a year from then. If still found guilty, read #1
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 13:59:36
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Brisbane, Australia
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mattyrm wrote:TH3FALL3N wrote:I think him being arrested for this is utterly outrageous. I am 17 and still at sixth form, we had a caretaker at our school that turned out to be a pedophile and had a couple of hundred images of kids on his computer. He received a 9 month suspended sentence. Yet a drunk student who writes a status on twitter (albeit racist) is imprisoned.
God i am proud to be British...
Exactly.. look at this one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8939276/Mercy-for-the-drunk-Muslim-girl-gang-who-attacked-woman.html
Mercy for the drunk Muslim girl gang who attacked woman
A girl gang of Somali Muslims who repeatedly kicked a woman in the head during a drunken attack were spared jail after a judge heard that their religion meant they were not used to drinking.
The four defendants shouted “kill the white slag” as they attacked Rhea Page after dragging her to the ground.
Ambaro Maxamed, 24, her sisters Ayan, 28, and Hibo, 24, and their cousin Ifrah Nur, 28, faced up to five years in jail after admitting causing actual bodily harm.
But Judge Robert Brown gave them six-month suspended sentences after deciding that the attack in Leicester city centre was not racially motivated.
He heard in mitigation that the four were not used to alcohol because their religion does not allow it. Miss Page, 22, was so traumatised by the attack that she lost her job as an educational support worker after repeated absences due to stress. She described the sentence as “disgusting”.
Leicester Crown Court heard that Miss Page was attacked as she walked to a taxi rank with her boyfriend Lewis Moore, 23, in June last year. James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said Ambaro Maxamed called Miss Page a “white bitch” and grabbed her hair, making her fall.
Miss Page, who needed hospital treatment after the attack, said outside court: “They were taking turns to kick me in the head and back over and over. I thought they were going to kill me. I honestly think they attacked me just because I was white. I can’t think of any other reason.”
Judge Brown, who also sentenced the three sisters to 150 hours of community work, said he accepted that they may have felt victims of unreasonable force from Mr Moore. But Miss Page insisted her boyfriend had only been trying to protect her. “If he hadn’t been there, I’m sure they would have killed me,” she said.
Have you seen the video as well!?
They fully kick the gak out of her, attack lasts about.. I dunno, 3 minutes?
No jail though.
But calling people names over the internet? Rot in prison scumbag.
You couldnt make this gak up could you?
Wow, that's terrible. I can hardly believe the decisions being passed down here. Then again, this is the same system that condemned the police for saving and arresting the boy with autism.
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sebster wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Its a known fact that Aussies are genetically disposed towards crime, we intentionally set them up that way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 14:01:13
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Manchu wrote:I don't know what's more terrifying: the fact that you can be arrested for saying dumb things in Britain or the fact that British people think this is okay.
Neither. Whats truly terrifying is british food. Beans on eggs and toast? What are you trying to invoke the dark powers just by eating breakfast??? Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote:Frazzled wrote:So...I'm right. You don't have freedom of speech, only freedom of approved speech.
The founding fadas were right. We needed the First Amendment.
Which still, under your definition, only gives "freedom of approved speech". The first amendment allows for numerous strong restrictions on speech, which is why you can't slander or libel people without consequences, you can't threaten people, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater, etc etc.
You're right, if by numerous you mean extremely few.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 14:03:51
Subject: Re:So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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TH3FALL3N wrote:I think him being arrested for this is utterly outrageous. I am 17 and still at sixth form, we had a caretaker at our school that turned out to be a pedophile and had a couple of hundred images of kids on his computer. He received a 9 month suspended sentence. Yet a drunk student who writes a status on twitter (albeit racist) is imprisoned.
God i am proud to be British...
A nonce getting a light sentence (should have been stoned) doesn't negate the fact that a student got nicked for bing a dill weed. That is more a highlight of the mixed quality of judges and the sentances that are handed down by them.
mattyrm wrote: Exactly.. look at this one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8939276/Mercy-for-the-drunk-Muslim-girl-gang-who-attacked-woman.html
Mercy for the drunk Muslim girl gang who attacked woman
A girl gang of Somali Muslims who repeatedly kicked a woman in the head during a drunken attack were spared jail after a judge heard that their religion meant they were not used to drinking.
The four defendants shouted “kill the white slag” as they attacked Rhea Page after dragging her to the ground.
Ambaro Maxamed, 24, her sisters Ayan, 28, and Hibo, 24, and their cousin Ifrah Nur, 28, faced up to five years in jail after admitting causing actual bodily harm.
But Judge Robert Brown gave them six-month suspended sentences after deciding that the attack in Leicester city centre was not racially motivated.
He heard in mitigation that the four were not used to alcohol because their religion does not allow it. Miss Page, 22, was so traumatised by the attack that she lost her job as an educational support worker after repeated absences due to stress. She described the sentence as “disgusting”.
Leicester Crown Court heard that Miss Page was attacked as she walked to a taxi rank with her boyfriend Lewis Moore, 23, in June last year. James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said Ambaro Maxamed called Miss Page a “white bitch” and grabbed her hair, making her fall.
Miss Page, who needed hospital treatment after the attack, said outside court: “They were taking turns to kick me in the head and back over and over. I thought they were going to kill me. I honestly think they attacked me just because I was white. I can’t think of any other reason.”
Judge Brown, who also sentenced the three sisters to 150 hours of community work, said he accepted that they may have felt victims of unreasonable force from Mr Moore. But Miss Page insisted her boyfriend had only been trying to protect her. “If he hadn’t been there, I’m sure they would have killed me,” she said.
Have you seen the video as well!?
They fully kick the gak out of her, attack lasts about.. I dunno, 3 minutes?
No jail though.
But calling people names over the internet? Rot in prison scumbag.
You couldnt make this gak up could you?
Again that is more about the poor quality of judges more than a problem of the actual Law. That fella should loose his wig over that peice of "justice", hopefully it will be referred to a higher authority for review.
As for Muslims not drinking, don't make me laugh. I used to work door at a bar that hald Bangra nights in London, you could always tell the Muslims, they would be the ones drinking Snakebite and invarably throwing up on themselves. Classy venue
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 14:25:05
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Another good article from the Telegraph.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100147237/56-days-in-jail-for-a-tweet-when-race-becomes-an-issue-all-sense-goes-out-of-the-window/
In short, the sheer offensiveness of this oik's remarks is something to behold, but not nearly as offensive as the prison sentence he received.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 14:33:31
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Really that article is less of an attack on the law, and more a general stab at the Left. Is the telegraph always this biased?
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Orlanth wrote:Its a known fact that Aussies are genetically disposed towards crime, we intentionally set them up that way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 14:34:59
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Hazardous Harry wrote:Really that article is less of an attack on the law, and more a general stab at the Left. Is the telegraph always this biased?
That's why Matty likes the Telegraph.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 15:38:49
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Frazzled wrote:You're right, if by numerous you mean extremely few.
Now you're being needlessly pedantic. The thrust of your argument is that the US is superior to the UK because we have "free speech" as opposed to approved speech, my rebuttal was we have numerous checks on our freedoms just as they do, thereby we also have approved (but different) speech. Do you want to haggle over the steak or the peas?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 15:58:17
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Ouze wrote:Frazzled wrote:You're right, if by numerous you mean extremely few.
Now you're being needlessly pedantic. The thrust of your argument is that the US is superior to the UK because we have "free speech" as opposed to approved speech, my rebuttal was we have numerous checks on our freedoms just as they do, thereby we also have approved (but different) speech. Do you want to haggle over the steak or the peas?
Checks on free speech in the US are few. if its a public figure, effectively none.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 16:00:27
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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I think it's a complete joke he went to jail to be honest. He should have gotten a fine and a warning at most.
This is like the 'Tram Lady' thing from a few months back. Disgusting verdict fuelled by the moronic Public.
Feth that. Express fething shipping back to Somalia. Do not pass go. Do not collect your benefits. This article makes me froth at the mouth.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 16:01:39
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Ouze wrote:Frazzled wrote:You're right, if by numerous you mean extremely few.
Now you're being needlessly pedantic. The thrust of your argument is that the US is superior to the UK because we have "free speech" as opposed to approved speech, my rebuttal was we have numerous checks on our freedoms just as they do, thereby we also have approved (but different) speech. Do you want to haggle over the steak or the peas?
Thats a topic we have had many many times before, Frazz is always involved by the way.
I think its because Frazz and some of our American cousins hear the "Best country on earth!" tag line a little too often. And there are also some British posters that try and say "Britain is better than America because of X Y and Z. Its a grand nonsense, and its childish argument obnviously.. not just because the entire "we R Best" arugment is inherantly childish, but because a) As anyone can see there is very little difference between not only the UK/US but any first world democracy, and b) None of us are actually free. Try to break some laws you happen to disagree with, or stop paying tax if you wish to see this demonstrated.
And as I said in the last thread, it all falls down to what you prefer. Me and my American missus have lived back here for 3 years, I lived in the US prior, and who knows where the feth the future will take us.. my missus is complaining about missing her family.
There is no "best" there is simply what you prefer. There is no true "Freedom" no matter how much some folk go on about it. There is only the freedom to do what you personally enjoy. The UK govt just released Abu Qatada thanks to the fact that unlike the US government, we don't have the right to hold him any longer. At what price freedom?! Id rather we be less free and that fether still be in prison.. when do you draw a line in the sand and say "we have best free"
I also disagree with the UK govts stance on this Twitter issue, but at the same time I can see the appeal of living in a nation where ridiculous racism and bigotry are punishable with jail, becuase then you have to spend less time around bigots with big mouths. Either you think total freedom of speech is preferable or it isn't, I can see both sides of the issue.
At the end of the day, its down to choice. I think the US has a (very slightly) less appealing society to me because British weather doesn't bother me, I don't care to own any guns (legal in the US) and I hate the fething traffic. But I DO enjoy drinking and gambling. Both of which are far easier here to do here than in California.
If I didn't drink or gamble, and I loved having loads of guns, I dare say I would be more comfortable living in the US. As I stated in the last thread, there is no such thing as freedom, there are thousands of rules we all have to follow, its simply a case of picking which ones you like the most. I pretty much only enjoy doing about ten things.. walking, working out, drinking, gambling, watching sports, reading, playing video games.. painting, warhammer, video games.. I think that's about it.
As long as I can still do all of these things, what do I care if the powers that be ban Mosques? Or ban gay porn? Neither of those would affect me. Or ban owning purple furniture? Or mankinis? (Oh no I think I still have one of those)
If it wont affect me, I don't rightly care enough to move, or do anything other than whinge about it a little in an amusing manner on facebook, and I think thats all this thread boils down to.
Oh and regards traffic.. If my missus demands I end up back in the States next year, can anyone recommend somewhere that's pretty empty?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/27 16:13:55
Subject: So Britain doesn't actually have freedom of speech then?
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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mattyrm wrote:Oh and regards traffic.. If my missus demands I end up back in the States next year, can anyone recommend somewhere that's pretty empty?
Alaska, or Texas. They are both roomy, and filled with the sorts of people I suspect you'd feel most at home with.
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