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Makarov wrote:I say XDM, from what I've heard it's very good.

Historically the XDM was once called HS and designed by eastern european gunsmiths (or firarms firms), Springfield, vying to enter 'milleinum pistols' market, but lack of firearms designers (i've heard that Springfield excels on 'classic' firearms, especially those 'standard issue' ones. (M1911A1 semiauto pistol, M1903 service rifle, M1 series) but doesn't seem to have its own RnD crew, while someone else does). what's the better alternatives? yes. occupy the newbie or the weak. the HS designer also in need of 'competitiveness' against Austrian Glock, had searched the world for any firearms giants who has better productivity, but inferior innovations so the deal will be easy.
that's why XDM becomes HS.

Personally NONE of the three choices. the 1911A1 is more adaptable. the SME gunsmiths had created the specialized versions of the 1911 series. one (les Baer, for example) is designed to score 100% 'X' , good for accuracy championship, bad for real combat. another (can't remember the name) focus on the combat, hoping that one day, any armed forces of any known nations on earth will buy ones as standard issue. this path of developments includes the frame that compatible with various hi-capacity magazines (seven shots are TOO low today, 10 is okay, 12 or more are better), bayonet railmount (it was called that way, but it mounts either laser pointers or torchlights, or maybe some other weird upgrades) and combat nightsights as default options. an Israeli gunsmith goes as far as rechamber the 1911 with 9mm Parabellum!!!

Frazzled wrote:

AustonT wrote:(and Walther) my ass . Walther and Smith share the same gakky triggers.

YOU MUTHA!!!!*
*and by that I mean I respectfully disagree.

Now this is based on a German made PPS that was very smooth with a good break, like a good revolver. I fell in love with it. I don't know about other Walthers, but most reports have that they have pretty good triggers.

I've heard the CZs have pretty good triggers but not shot one nor even seen one.

CZs basically have a late Browning trigger, the 75 is after all a Hi Power.
Walther is hit and miss, like anyone else. There just isn't nearly as much fanboyism surrounding them to drown the positive in a sea of trolling. Truth is Walther isn't really the top of the heap in much of anything. They do OK work in proven fields. But the have the same issues as everyone else, mass manufactured triggers suck.

Lone Cat wrote:Personally NONE of the three choices. the 1911A1 is more adaptable. the SME gunsmiths had created the specialized versions of the 1911 series. one (les Baer, for example) is designed to score 100% 'X' , good for accuracy championship, bad for real combat. another (can't remember the name) focus on the combat, hoping that one day, any armed forces of any known nations on earth will buy ones as standard issue. this path of developments includes the frame that compatible with various hi-capacity magazines (seven shots are TOO low today, 10 is okay, 12 or more are better), bayonet railmount (it was called that way, but it mounts either laser pointers or torchlights, or maybe some other weird upgrades) and combat nightsights as default options. an Israeli gunsmith goes as far as rechamber the 1911 with 9mm Parabellum!!!

Well the 1911s you noted are not cheap. Les Baers push $3,000. If I could I'd get a STI double column Eagle 5.0 and call it a day, but I don't have 2 grand to spend.

Now that does leave open the idea of cheaper single column STI 1911 in 9mm, but I have to check usage under IDPA and also if thats an area there's competition in. As the goal is thursday evening shoots at one range this might be an issue.

I'd shop around on the M&P, pounce on a good deal - hard to find in this climate - and get a trigger job.

Seaward wrote:I'd shop around on the M&P, pounce on a good deal - hard to find in this climate - and get a trigger job.

A fair point as well. I am afeared that my desire for the acquisition is coinciding with Obama Bullet Bubble II.

Frazzled wrote:

Seaward wrote:I'd shop around on the M&P, pounce on a good deal - hard to find in this climate - and get a trigger job.

A fair point as well. I am afeared that my desire for the acquisition is coinciding with Obama Bullet Bubble II.

I'm encountering that myself now that I finally figured out which 1911 I'm picking up.

(Un)reliable sources tell me gun sales are up 300% from where they were last year. All my local shops are definitely picked clean. Ruger's apparently not even taking orders anymore, so great is their backlog.

All the calls by democrats to take advantage of current events and limit the 2nd amendment aren't helping.


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This is in the price range. Probably only 9 in the magazine with 9mm, but under review for IDPA.
http://www.stiguns.com/the-sti-spartan-v-2/

American firearms control doesn't seem to lift the ban on hi-capa magazines, TEN shots are the largest capacity allowed.
it means the law itself doesn't really favor the 9mm parabellum but .45 ACP or bigger seems to be pleased.

Lone Cat wrote:American firearms control doesn't seem to lift the ban on hi-capa magazines, TEN shots are the largest capacity allowed.
it means the law itself doesn't really favor the 9mm parabellum but .45 ACP or bigger seems to be pleased.

What are you talking about?

American firearms control doesn't seem to lift the ban on hi-capa magazines, TEN shots are the largest capacity allowed.

That law expired in 2004. Any remaining bans on magazine capacity over 10 shots are state level (Like california.) and even then there are people who owned them before bans went into effect, or grey areas of the law such as modification of existing magazines (No go in CA.) or the little detail of things like a 10 round .40 S&W magazine will hold 13+ rounds of 9mm...and may just function in a 9mm pistol. See Beretta 96 magazines in a 92F.

You also have things like 30 round M16 magazines becoming A-OK for sale when "10 rnds .458 SOCOM" stamped on the floorplate.

The notaiton of ten rounds I noted is in regards to the competition. That might put me at a disadvantage in the shoots which are timed (more reloads required). Not certain if its that much of a disadvantage though.

ok I haven't read any firearms books since January 2004. by then i was focusing on 'University entrance exam'. and that hardwork never fails me.

Update:
Ok so someone has to tell how - on my birthday - the wife ends up with my old Beretta, a new Beretta Storm, and a made to order batch of wine, which I have to help bottle in two weeks (scratches head).

Went to range to see if i can double action/single action decently enough. Its a no go. At the same time, the Wife's Bersa starts jamming again. To top it off, all the double action pulling has started the shakes I get in my right arm (old incident from decades ago). Frazzled gets pissed off, take wife to Academy, bets no CCL for her (Beretta Storm), and 9mm M&P for him. I'll shoot a few hundred rounds through it and see if it need an APEX trigger job and different sights, but me likey.