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Dont use a Marder III at 1:48 - it's tiny.

Ok, thanks good to know.

Kiryu Mk 3 wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The model kit of the Karl Morser is about 65 GBP. It's about 14 inches long.

The Karl Morser was carried to its emplacement by railway, then moved short distances on its tracks for accurate positioning. For 40K of course you can just say it is an SPG. I have one of them which I am going to build as a huge SPG.

There is a railway gun kit which is probably the largest polystyrene model kit ever made.

Damn, that sucker is big. I guess we all should be thankful it isn't built to 1/4 scale. I'd use that as more of a fortress worlds main gun. Considering the size of that thing. I have an other kit in mind actually as a basilask or griffin stand in. The M110. A 203mm self propelled howitzer that was in service from 1964 to 1991.

Ahem.

That is so crazy. wow.
do you guys know a good place to get FW turrets, as I dont really want to pay the $35~ for one straight from FW and I cant find any on E bay.

I retract my previous statement. That thing is huge.

That must be 13' long!

ambitious, ballsy, genius. I want one.

Me too!, but Not THAT big.


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Do you guys have any idea of the proper scale for a Sd.Kfz Half track for 40k? The sizing seems to be weird and Im not sure if it should be 1/48 or 1/35

Capitansolstice wrote:Me too!, but Not THAT big.


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Do you guys have any idea of the proper scale for a Sdkfz Half track for 40k? The sizing seems to be weird and Im not sure if it should be 1/48 or 1/35

1 1/35th scale copy of ERWIN ROMMEL'S HALFTRACK!!!!!! will work. (i believe that would be the Sd. Kfz. 250)otherwise, none of them work. 1/48 is just too tiny, and 1/35th too long. Two half tracks will equal the length of three chimeras...

I have one, and in my opinion, it still needs to be modified to "enlarge" the compartment by extending the cupola forward. Then there's the issue of the driver's weapon mount as well as constructing some sort of a turret (I assume you want to field it as a chimera analogue).Conveniently, the 250/9 comes with a turret, so it may be of interest, and you could easily use the sentinel cupola parts to finish the turret off. Lastly, in your search to get the specific tanks, it may end up costing you more to get this specialized custom army than if you went and just ordered bulk 40k from a wholesaler.

If you are dead set on this, another alternative would be the Sdkfz. 222, the armored car. It would require some body work, and rebuild the back end of it, but it would make a decent chimera alternative. I've investigated the other variants myself and even used halftracks, and am now in the process of cutting off the engine and turning them into tracked-only vehicles because they were just too bloody long, by about 5 cm.

One of the problems is that you need to find a 1/35th scale vehicle who's length does not exceed 5 metres for the 1/35th scale..... which is pretty damn hard, because the leman russ is about 12 cm long, and the chimera is about the same.

I've got the Tamyia 1/48 251 half-track & it does look small next to GW models.
The Warlord Game's 1/56 250 is even tinier.
Height-wise, 32mm models are about 1/56 (32mm/1800mm - ave height of a decent soldier).
However the baulkyness & the base make WW2 vehicles look too small. But you need to remember that WW2 vehicles were small in comparison to modern AFVs.
I would stick to 1/48.

poda_t wrote:
Lastly, in your search to get the specific tanks, it may end up costing you more to get this specialized custom army than if you went and just ordered bulk 40k from a wholesaler.
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Yeah, thanks for that nice refrence Poda_t, and on the subject of cost, I am comparing to FW, so yes it would be cheaper to buy GW wholesale, but not FW

bubber wrote:
However the baulkyness & the base make WW2 vehicles look too small. But you need to remember that WW2 vehicles were small in comparison to modern AFVs.
I would stick to 1/48.

In this sort of project you have to come to a compromise. Yes, most afv's of ww2 are smaller compaired to most modern afv's. However most MBT's are derived from tanks between medium and heavy class. The M47 and M48 series are more or less the same size as the M26 Pershing. While the M60 Patton series actually has a higher silloute then the M1 Abrams series of tanks.

In terms of modling 1/35 is big when using in 40k. But most players won't mind that. So long as there's clear communication before the match as to what the model is being used as.

Right

You might be interested in this...

http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljlist?ItemGroup=Patriot0412

That is cool. I'm thinking manticore battery!

A battery of patriot missles isn't too bad an idea.

There is also this, although is might be a bit big:

http://militarymodels.co.nz/2010/05/29/kit-review-trumpeter-german-geschutzwagen-tiger-fur-17cm-kanone-72-sf/

The germans really were stretching it back then. A self propelled that mounted a 14" gun. That's just insane.

Yes, they actually built the turret. Then sent the turret to the coastal fortress and abandoned the construction of the chassis

actully the Marder 3 i used and widened the "base" by the addition of supports to the width and legnth of a chimera hull. its shorter but the cannons angle helps with that.

yes its small but i chalk it up to having the driver and gunner in the front with a auto loader system in the rear.

Others like the priest work as long as a long barreled cannon is fitted (the 105 can have its barrel extended with plasticard modifications)

as for that Dora Gun..... i've always to makea Super tank that weilded that gun.

edit: 1/35th scale usually works. a little digging on the tank can help with it.
a 1/35th scale Maus and E-100 serve as Baneblades in my IG army. even a German Light tank serves as a Banewolf.


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Oh and try this on for size....

the 800mm carrying "P-1500 Monster"

If hitler had waited till after breaking the british and been smarter about some of his other more insane projects the germans may have actually been able to finish and use either one of those. Good god, the damn moving fortress there is just damn! The self propelled. , 800mm Jesus not even battle ships of the day held anything of that chamber. Its just nuts. But, I'll admit kinda cool too.

Kiryu Mk 3 wrote:If hitler had waited till after breaking the british and been smarter about some of his other more insane projects the germans may have actually been able to finish and use either one of those. Good god, the damn moving fortress there is just damn! The self propelled. , 800mm Jesus not even battle ships of the day held anything of that chamber. Its just nuts. But, I'll admit kinda cool too.

hence why I'm upset that I have to wait even longer to see Iron Sky

woah, that trumpeter is a 14 inch long kit! thats a bit to big

poda_t wrote:1:35th is wonky... the smaller 1/35 scales are pertty good, so things like a hetzer tank mesh great. I just did a quick check, so I can't say for sure whether or not the given model will work.

hehe, probably more accurate to say heroic scale is wonky but in the context you are talking about, I think you are saying the size variance on something like a little type 95 tank compared to a Jagdpanther, Tiger or King Tiger, IS2 is huge.



Or if we wanna go into the extreme, compare the hypothetical Ratte with a Willy's jeep..

To the OP, you may find the gun would have a lot of fine detail and the realistic bore/calibre size may look out of place. To put it in perspective, the diamtre of a Leman Russ's barrel would be somewhere in the realm of a 280mm weapon. 120mm is avbout the biggest modern mbt weapon and 155 is standard towed or self propelled arty but there are exceptions to both. 88mm was about the biggest tank armament in WW2 though many tank destroyers exceeded this.

You could always use the model as a base, shorten the barrel and or replace said barrel. Personally I like the realistic look but it is up to you of course.

As for the P-1500. It would likely have be pwned by aircraft. I don't think they could possibly have given enough anti air protection to something which would have been the target of some massive airborne ordanace. Rockets MAY have been able to destroy it but certainly something like a 500 pound bomb would have made mincemeat, or scrap metal, of it.

Curious Engine of War, where is your avatar from, Mamoth tank?

Thanks for the chart. Its really weird to see how big tanks got

Also, I'd just like to say that some of the model kits (1/35 mostly, especially the good ones) can have an unholy number of parts, even if it seems a relatively small kit. For my halftrack, each track link was in two parts. Just something to remember.

I think that's part of the reason I want to try

If you are not interested in interior detail you can get 'shell' hits which of course cut down on that number of parts and make it a cheaper kit to boot.