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And I thought this was gonna be a joke thread.

"A guardsman, an Inquisitor, and a Grey Knight walk in to a bar..."

But seriously, it probably matters more who acts first, the Inquisitor or the Grey Knights. If the Inquisitor whisks the guardsmen off before the GK decide to act, there's very little the GK can do as the Inquisition is VERY good at hiding things that they do not want found.

And of course, if the GK decide that wanton slaughter and bathing in the blood of the faithful are the order of the day (blood for the blood go... I mean Emperor!) while the Inquisitor is busy doing something else, that's what will be happening.

How do you suggest the Inquisitor do that? Mass-hypnosis? For me I just leave it up to the discretion of the author writing the fluff.

Beaviz81 wrote:How do you suggest the Inquisitor do that? Mass-hypnosis? For me I just leave it up to the discretion of the author writing the fluff.

For example, they could arrange it with the Guard officers beforehand, having hte Guard officers retreat at the last moment in to the Inquisitor's transports, to be whisked away from the fighting while the GKs mop up the last of the daemons.

Nice side-stepping. That was actually a very nice way of keeping in line with fluff, while at the same time bending it.

So basically just like the BL book authors do.

I believe that neither party would outright kill them as both forces would understand the value of an experienced force that can be of use to the Imperium and the Emprah.

However, as most probably know, you can't just pack let them pack up, go back to their troopship and idly chit chat with their wife/girlfriend/boyfriend about it.

The compromise is most likely that the Imperial Guard will be subjected to mind wiping in order to make them forget that they ever even saw the deamons.

Vychor wrote:I believe that neither party would outright kill them as both forces would understand the value of an experienced force that can be of use to the Imperium and the Emprah.
However, as most probably know, you can't just pack let them pack up, go back to their troopship and idly chit chat with their wife/girlfriend/boyfriend about it.
The compromise is most likely that the Imperial Guard will be subjected to mind wiping in order to make them forget that they ever even saw the deamons.

the fluff behind the first battle for Armageddon goes against that theory.
the Inquisition/Grey knights killed or enslaved the entire Guard force that took part in the war to prevent knowledge of daemons escaping out into the Imperium. The enslaved troops were used to rebuild the planet; never leaving. The few Guard ships that tried to escape were blown up... and the IST regiment that did manage to escape was hunted down and 3 (apparently) planets were annihilated in the hunt. Leman Russ Grimnar was apparently (and understandably) unimpressed with the Inquisition over that little debacle

It was Grimnar, as Leman Russ was still walking around in the Eye of Terror at the time.

Then again the siege of Vraks had the same scenario. What happened after that? Did the Kriegsmen all get killed?

ah, true. My memory is awful at times

Vraks has been cordoned of by the Inquisition, so god knows what happened to everyone on the planet afterwards. The books may say, but I've not read them yet.

According to Lexicanum, the surviving vraks units were withdrawn before the cordon was raised, so it may depend on the severity of the incursion. Armageddon certainly had a higher potential for corruption as Angron and his posse of bloodthirsters were stomping around the planet.

Maybe they send these regiments on suicide missons? That way your still damaging your opponent while getting rid of a few undesirables.

purplefood wrote:An Inquisitor doesn't have a 'house army' AFAIK...
Inq. Storm Troopers aren't recruited like that.
IIRC GK are Inquisition militant so they'd have to follow his orders regarding survivors...
So if he wanted the GK to kill them all then place to bodies to create a gigantic smiley face then they'd have to...

An inquisitir can do whatever he likes as long as he can give reason to fellow inquisitors, just look at the character fluff, Coteaz controls an entire regionof space. Codex fluff has shown that inquisitors can have their own private military forces.

Inquisitors can chose to have veterans in their service as shown in the codex, they most likely won't become inquisitorial storm troopers as they are linked to the whole ordo instead of the single inquisitor but they would most likely fill the same role while allowing for less oversight of the ordo over an individual inquisitor's actions.

Tibbsy wrote:

Psienesis wrote:
The Inquisition says "jump", they say "Do we get to kill daemons up there?".

Pretty much this

The GKs are the Ordos Militant of the Ordo Malleus (Unless this has been superceded in the new fluff?) Essentially meaning that the Inquisition gives them the orders. Being Marines they are less dependant than others, but they should still hold to the Inquisitorial authority.

This is not correct by current fluff, the GK are a self governed body that chooses were it goes, it may offer help when requested, but most of its forces are deployed by forewarnings recovered by its predictive psykers or by the Emperor's will using the Emperor's Tarot.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Tibbsy wrote:

Psienesis wrote:
The Inquisition says "jump", they say "Do we get to kill daemons up there?".

Pretty much this

The GKs are the Ordos Militant of the Ordo Malleus (Unless this has been superceded in the new fluff?) Essentially meaning that the Inquisition gives them the orders. Being Marines they are less dependant than others, but they should still hold to the Inquisitorial authority.

This is not correct by current fluff, the GK are a self governed body that chooses were it goes, it may offer help when requested, but most of its forces are deployed by forewarnings recovered by its predictive psykers or by the Emperor's will using the Emperor's Tarot.

I stand corrected then Evidently I need to read the new fluff....

Jimsolo wrote:I think the Inquisitor has the technical final word on the subject, but if the Grey Knights were in a particularly bloodthirsty mood there wouldn't be a whole lot he could do to stop them. And as a side note, do the Grey Knights kill survivors in order to preserve their secrecy, or only when said survivors witnessed the physical manifestations of Chaos? I thought it was the second.

Scenario #1. There own secrecy takes precedent over everything.

I imagine that the whole corruption bit could be dealt with by simply running the guardsmen through some rigorous testing to ensure that they aren't possessed like what happened with Lysander after being captured by Iron Warriors. The simple reason they wouldn't do something like that in Vraks or Armageddon is because it is simply easier all around to execute or sterilize and enslave the surviving guardsmen. If the inquisitor truly wanted the guardsmen with him he could potentially do the same although it might take a long time to get through a whole regiment, even a badly battered one.

Buttons wrote:I imagine that the whole corruption bit could be dealt with by simply running the guardsmen through some rigorous testing to ensure that they aren't possessed like what happened with Lysander after being captured by Iron Warriors. The simple reason they wouldn't do something like that in Vraks or Armageddon is because it is simply easier all around to execute or sterilize and enslave the surviving guardsmen. If the inquisitor truly wanted the guardsmen with him he could potentially do the same although it might take a long time to get through a whole regiment, even a badly battered one.

Why would he do something like that? He could spend months sifting through the entire battered regiment for signs of corruption, or quickly steal that Cadian Regiment over there (though I would imagine that Mordians would be a better fit for the inquisition). Which would you choose?

I'm definitely going with the Cadians.

BluntmanDC wrote:
This is not correct by current fluff, the GK are a self governed body that chooses were it goes, it may offer help when requested, but most of its forces are deployed by forewarnings recovered by its predictive psykers or by the Emperor's will using the Emperor's Tarot.

I'd say there's a vast difference between refusing an Inquisitior's order/strongly-worded-request-for-help because they are enroute to combat another threat, and refusing an Inquisitor because they felt like it.

BluntmanDC wrote: This is not correct by current fluff, the GK are a self governed body that chooses were it goes, it may offer help when requested, but most of its forces are deployed by forewarnings recovered by its predictive psykers or by the Emperor's will using the Emperor's Tarot.

Can you cite a source please?

I'm not doubting you, it's just that I had the same thought a while ago and while examining my GK codex I couldn't find anything that said that. In fact all I found was a passage indicating that the GK are, in fact, still the chamer militant of the Inquisition.