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Beaviz81 wrote:Apostles is what springing up from the top of my head. My own chapter uses the term Disciplinarians for their Chaplains, but that's more a reflection of the heroes who helped create the chapter. Then again I rarely discuss my chapter either, because people in general doesn't like a chapter just mashed together on a battlefield.

Oh I like your chapter, heck I have a rule where I almost never comment on something I don't like. I actually find it unwise to discuss dislikes at any forum.

Hey thanks for the help man =), i was thinking about apostles, and im glad for the confirmation,


ooh and i can hace the CM to be "high apostle" and other high ranking chaplians of each crusade can be apostles

I don't really like the whole Traitor Legion-chapter idea...
There's no real reason for them to rename chaplains.
Them not following the codex is a fairly stupid idea unless they want to draw attention to themselves, which seems like the last thing they want to do.

If they Chapter Master is still the original guy then he is in excess of 10,000 years old making him the oldest living human (or near human) alive barring the Emperor...

I'm fairly sure the Imperium would have noticed a chapter just appearing out of nowhere, some of the later foundings may have been less organised but the first few probably weren't...

Overall i don't really like it that much but if that's what you want to do then go ahead...

Incidentally i'm not even gonna touch the DA/SW/BT/Commissar/GK/Inquisitor chapter...

If I was you, I would swing by the Catholic church and steal some of their titles. Like having the leaders of your chapters as Apostle Cardinals f.ex., the Chapter Master can be called Apostle Pontifex or something like that. In short there are so many cool titles there, same goes for any priesthood which has existed.

purplefood wrote:I don't really like the whole Traitor Legion-chapter idea...
There's no real reason for them to rename chaplains.
Them not following the codex is a fairly stupid idea unless they want to draw attention to themselves, which seems like the last thing they want to do.

If they Chapter Master is still the original guy then he is in excess of 10,000 years old making him the oldest living human (or near human) alive barring the Emperor...

I'm fairly sure the Imperium would have noticed a chapter just appearing out of nowhere, some of the later foundings may have been less organised but the first few probably weren't...

Overall i don't really like it that much but if that's what you want to do then go ahead...

Oh well, thats to bad, I'm still going to keep the chapter, and for the record, before I did post the idea of my chapter's founding to see if it could work, and you kinda could've posted there...

I can wait for what founding they came in, it doesnt really matter.

I'm probably going to stick with the new chaplian name, there is kinda a reason because these chaplians hold a posistion of higher honor then other. Also, other chapters have different titles for roles, so you cant really argue with that. Renaming it differentiates them a little.

(the chapter master is not still the original guy, the names are just close)

they arent just going to follow the codex just to not draw attention, they do whatever would bring them closer to the emperor, not Rowboat Girlyman

And also, it may not be the best thing to post a bunch of complaints (with ....) and then say "if thats whatt you want to ahead" seeing as if you dont have any suggestions to make it better, it may not help.

And what is wrong with the traitor legion idea? these guys were just loyalists, i made it clear that it wasnt just a bunch of inquisitors deciding "hey, lets use traitor geneseed" it was a chaplian trying to keep the good part of a legion alive.

Remulus wrote:

purplefood wrote:I don't really like the whole Traitor Legion-chapter idea...
There's no real reason for them to rename chaplains.
Them not following the codex is a fairly stupid idea unless they want to draw attention to themselves, which seems like the last thing they want to do.

If they Chapter Master is still the original guy then he is in excess of 10,000 years old making him the oldest living human (or near human) alive barring the Emperor...

I'm fairly sure the Imperium would have noticed a chapter just appearing out of nowhere, some of the later foundings may have been less organised but the first few probably weren't...

Overall i don't really like it that much but if that's what you want to do then go ahead...

Oh well, thats to bad, I'm still going to keep the chapter, and for the record, before I did post the idea of my chapter's founding to see if it could work, and you kinda could've posted there.

I can wait for what founding they came in, it doesnt really matter.

I'm probably going to stick with the new chaplian name, there is kinda a reason because these chaplians hold a posistion of higher honor then other.

(the chapter master is not still the original guy)

And also, it may not be the best thing to post a bunch of complaints, and then say "if thats whatt you want to ahead" seeing as if you dont have any suggestions to make it better, it may not help.

And what is wrong with the traitor legion idea? these guys were just loyalists, i made it clear that it wasnt just a bunch of guys deciding "hey, lets use traitor geneseed" it was a chaplian trying to keep the good part of a legion alive.

I can't think of any suggestions for it...
The traitor gene-seed idea is a really bad one in my eyes...
I understand it wasn't an attempt to make a chapter from flawed gene-seed but it's not that much better IMO.
And yeah i could have posted in that thread had i seen it before now...

purplefood wrote:[
I can't think of any suggestions for it...
The traitor gene-seed idea is a really bad one in my eyes...
I understand it wasn't an attempt to make a chapter from flawed gene-seed but it's not that much better IMO.
And yeah i could have posted in that thread had i seen it before now...

Ahh okay, its just "bad" very helpful...
I expected some people to not like the traitor geneseed, but not just say "bad" as my chapter countered most qualms people have with traitor geneseed, im going to need a little more reason.
Personally, I think a group trying to retain the "good" in their legion is pretty good.
Anyway, now, please leave this thread, because other people think it is okay, and are giving me suggestions on how to improve it. =)

Beaviz81 wrote:If I was you, I would swing by the Catholic church and steal some of their titles. Like having the leaders of your chapters as Apostle Cardinals f.ex., the Chapter Master can be called Apostle Pontifex or something like that. In short there are so many cool titles there, same goes for any priesthood which has existed.

Thanks for the help, ill check those names out,

I don't mind the idea of Remulus. Not every Space Marine of the Word Bearers turned, and I like the idea that they worked to halt their brethren from within, and was awarded a chapter on their own for that effort. The most difficult write I can think of for it, would be their faith and how they revers Empy due to stuff he did. I mean, they can't just disobey and still worship him. So there must be something else instead.

Beaviz81 wrote:I don't mind the idea of Remulus. Not every Space Marine of the Word Bearers turned, and I like the idea that they worked to halt their brethren from within, and was awarded a chapter on their own for that effort. The most difficult write I can think of for it, would be their faith and how they revers Empy due to stuff he did. I mean, they can't just disobey and still worship him. So there must be something else instead.

Yep, im going to have fun writing stuf for these guys.

But anyway, the Word Bearers really worshiped the Emperor, so the guys who stayed loyale either, must have not been so fanatically that they wanted to jump off a bridge when the Emperor told them to not worship him, or they really loved the emperor, and thought he was just being modest.

And also, I'm probably going to make another chapter as well, just so that one people can focus on the chapter itself, and not the founding.

I thought more of them as dissident priests. They revere Empy as the paradign of what any human and Space Marine to strive to achieve. I mean if I was you, they likely saw the blind fanaticism of Lorgar and the worship to the Emperor as unsavory and alerted him. So they had to fight hard against much of their own legion when the Heresy came rolling.

Beaviz81 wrote:I thought more of them as dissident priests. They revere Empy as the paradign of what any human and Space Marine to strive to achieve. I mean if I was you, they likely saw the blind fanaticism of Lorgar and the worship to the Emperor as unsavory and alerted him. So they had to fight hard against much of their own legion when the Heresy came rolling.

That sounds good, ill change it to that, but i read in "The First Heretic" that lorgar's geneseed has some innate loyalty and stufflike that, so i can still tie that in the modern chapter.

Oh they hate Lorgar the Arch-Heretic with much passion. Screw the part were it was noted the loyalty of Lorgar in his geneseed. For this chapter they have a terrible secret with him as their Primarch who was told by the Emperor he was not a god, just a man. Lorgar was not told go and revere the ruinous powers. Lorgar corrupted many, not just half of the Primarchs, but fully half of the Imperial forces. The Space Marines were just the spear-point. Think of the untold billions of Imperial Guardsmen involved. Legio Titanicus and such. That is a heavy debt this chapter will likely feel they have to pay for. For them Lorgar is the idiot that turned billions if not more from the Emperor's light to the darkness of Chaos.

Beaviz81 wrote:Oh they hate Lorgar the Arch-Heretic with much passion. Screw the part were it was noted the loyalty of Lorgar in his geneseed. For this chapter they have a terrible secret with him as their Primarch who was told by the Emperor he was not a god, just a man. Lorgar was not told go and revere the ruinous powers. Lorgar corrupted many, not just half of the Primarchs, but fully half of the Imperial forces. The Space Marines were just the spear-point. Think of the untold billions of Imperial Guardsmen involved. Legio Titanicus and such. That is a heavy debt this chapter will likely feel they have to pay for. For them Lorgar is the idiot that turned billions if not more from the Emperor's light to the darkness of Chaos.

oh yah no, i dont mean they are loyal to lorgar, i mean they are faithful to the emperor. They hate lorgar.


Also, with my chapter, im going to take out part wherethey are like the black templars. I will just make a second foundng chapter for that.
Maybe the chapter they worked with the restore will be the blood angels or something. They arent going to follow the codex fully, but will do it some, with changes to it.

Are you planning on doing normal blood angels for that, or a blood angels successor.

BaneGuard wrote:Are you planning on doing normal blood angels for that, or a blood angels successor.

probably normal blood angels, seeing as how black templars really hate phycic power and stuff, the Black Templars also probably wouldnt accept them

Well blood angels have a larger emphasis on psykers from what Iv'e seen and are fairly zealous (though not as zealous as black templars).

Boh snap, @ purplefood,'while I was searching the web for word bearer stuff, I actually found out that my chapter founding may not be that crazy actually

On TH

Boh snap, @ purplefood,'while I was searching the web for word bearer stuff, I actually found out that my chapter founding may not be that crazy actually

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Word_Bearer

Look at the part where it talks about loyalist word bearers


So there!

Remulus wrote: Boh snap, @ purplefood,'while I was searching the web for word bearer stuff, I actually found out that my chapter founding may not be that crazy actually

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Word_Bearer

Look at the part where it talks about loyalist word bearers


So there!

You know you're right
though

Those who refused to accept this new creed were “purged” from the Legion over the course of one week.

Though in fairness they could have hidden it for a while...
But since we're here:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Crusaders
I wasn't gonna mention it but if we're in a ship flinging contest...

purplefood wrote:

Remulus wrote: Boh snap, @ purplefood,'while I was searching the web for word bearer stuff, I actually found out that my chapter founding may not be that crazy actually

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Word_Bearer

Look at the part where it talks about loyalist word bearers


So there!

You know you're right
though

Those who refused to accept this new creed were “purged” from the Legion over the course of one week.

Though in fairness they could have hidden it for a while...
But since we're here:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Crusaders
I wasn't gonna mention it but if we're in a ship flinging contest...

Hey thanks
But yah, actually I'm glad you told me the name is already taken, I'll prolly change my chapters name
And it's not a fight or anything, I'm just trying to improve me chapter =)

I think you could improve it by changing their origin...
Depending on what you want your chapter to be you can always find a fairly good way to set it up without having the 'traitor legion gene-seed' idea...

purplefood wrote:I think you could improve it by changing their origin...
Depending on what you want your chapter to be you can always find a fairly good way to set it up without having the 'traitor legion gene-seed' idea...

Okay for one thing ... Is really annoying

And also, honesty...

the origin thing again? I thought it was clear I'm sticking with that at least

BaneGuard wrote:Well blood angels have a larger emphasis on psykers from what Iv'e seen and are fairly zealous (though not as zealous as black templars).

My thoughts exactly, the melee thing too

Remulus wrote:

purplefood wrote:I think you could improve it by changing their origin...
Depending on what you want your chapter to be you can always find a fairly good way to set it up without having the 'traitor legion gene-seed' idea...

Okay for one thing ... Is really annoying

And also, please leave, the origin is a big part of it

You tell me to leave then start talking to me then tell me to leave...
Make your mind up...

purplefood wrote:

Remulus wrote:

purplefood wrote:I think you could improve it by changing their origin...
Depending on what you want your chapter to be you can always find a fairly good way to set it up without having the 'traitor legion gene-seed' idea...

Okay for one thing ... Is really annoying

And also, please leave, the origin is a big part of it

You tell me to leave then start talking to me then tell me to leave...
Make your mind up...

Fine, I want you to stop telling me about how my chapter is bad and to completely change my chapters founding


I mean really, constructive criticism is what I want, but just to be told my origin is "bad" doesn't help at all, especially after others said It was good enough

And that "talking to you" was really just to defend my chapter, not asking you to repeat yourself

I mean really, the whole point of me posting that artice, was to show how im keeping to origin

And I mean really, thanks a lot, you telling me to completely redo the chapter has almost ruined this thread to make it better, cause I have to waste time defending the origin for you. While I did have another thread for the origin talk

they should be tight with the inqusition. they would have met up with Nathaniel Garro and helpd start them i think. would have helped out with ordo heriticus,

the iron boot wrote:they should be tight with the inqusition. they would have met up with Nathaniel Garro and helpd start them i think. would have helped out with ordo heriticus,

Yah I think the inquisition thing sounds cool, I mean, If my chapter did not like the inquisition they prolly wouldn't be able to live!

Garro is awesome I think, and all the traitor legions loyalists prolly meet together at some point


Also I have a bunch of new plans for the chapter, and I will edit the first post with it as soon as I get to a computer, I'm posting this on my
Phone