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How can kids access online porn? All those sites have things saying "click here if you're under 18" that redirect you away from the site. Are kids not clicking those things?

Also, how is it that only 1 in 3 10-year-olds have seen porn? That's a 5th grader. Back in my day, before the internet, every young boy had found his parent's, or his friend's parent's, porn stash well before 5th grade. I'd say 1 in 3 is actually lower than it ever has been before.

Grakmar wrote:How can kids access online porn? All those sites have things saying "click here if you're under 18" that redirect you away from the site. Are kids not clicking those things?

Also, how is it that only 1 in 3 10-year-olds have seen porn? That's a 5th grader. Back in my day, before the internet, every young boy had found his parent's, or his friend's parent's, porn stash well before 5th grade. I'd say 1 in 3 is actually lower than it ever has been before.

turn off the google safe search, then google any disney character and look at the images. I tried to find a picture of the monkies from madagascar 2, having their union meeting with the penguins. you'd be amazed that first I couldn't find it, then what I did find.

Frazzled wrote:

Kids aren't stupid, they know the difference between right and wrong. If they don't then look at other things to blame such as your addiction problems, lack of attention to them or your own poor attitudes and behaviour. Lousy parents lead to lousy kids, not porn.

Kids only know "right and wrong" if you teach them.

EDIT: see the above post. this is an example of not teaching them.

Teaching him what? That porn, and by extension sex, is bad? That would be hypocritical if nothing else. I would much rather concentrate on teaching him things that actually matter and allowing him to find out things for himself.

They realy need to calm down. I don't get this whole thing of "the computor should be where everyone can see".

On the porn front treat it like booze. Just because I have kids dose it mean I can't have a bottle of Scotch in the house? No. If I catch the kids swigging from my expensive 25 yo single malt (or even the bottle of not so expensive gin) will I think its the end of the world? No, but my good god they will be in trouble. If they are never given the trust not to do these things they will never grow up as rounded adults. As long as you know how to check what they are doign online from time to time then leave them to it I say. Let them know the boundrys and the consiquences of brakeing them and let them learn.

As for the arguments about cyber bullying and grooming, I see that as being the same as grooming and bullying anywhere. Its the same thing that is stopping people letting there kids go outside. As long as they know what is right and wrong and that they can come to you if they think anythign is wrong then no problem.

I'm more worried about the amount of time the spend on the internet rather than doing something else, but that is what wahammer is for!

Palindrome wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Kids aren't stupid, they know the difference between right and wrong. If they don't then look at other things to blame such as your addiction problems, lack of attention to them or your own poor attitudes and behaviour. Lousy parents lead to lousy kids, not porn.

Kids only know "right and wrong" if you teach them.

EDIT: see the above post. this is an example of not teaching them.

Teaching him what? That porn, and by extension sex, is bad? That would be hypocritical if nothing else. I would much rather concentrate on teaching him things that actually matter and allowing him to find out things for himself.

Letting him do what he wants. Thats not teaching. Thats abrogation of duty.

Frazzled wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Kids aren't stupid, they know the difference between right and wrong. If they don't then look at other things to blame such as your addiction problems, lack of attention to them or your own poor attitudes and behaviour. Lousy parents lead to lousy kids, not porn.

Kids only know "right and wrong" if you teach them.

EDIT: see the above post. this is an example of not teaching them.

Teaching him what? That porn, and by extension sex, is bad? That would be hypocritical if nothing else. I would much rather concentrate on teaching him things that actually matter and allowing him to find out things for himself.

Letting him do what he wants. Thats not teaching. Thats abrogation of duty.

In a word, gak.

If I were a parent, I'd be less worried about my kids looking at porn than I would be about them making porn of themselves via vidchats and sexting.

Manchu wrote:If I were a parent, I'd be less worried about my kids looking at porn than I would be about them making porn of themselves via vidchats and sexting.

ya that's a whole can of worms in itself. It made the news when an underage girl sent nude pics of herself to her boyfriend. she gets arrested for distributing child pornography.

All is going according to plan.

Wait, you guys didn't watch porn when you were young? What the hell is wrong with you?

sirlynchmob wrote:

Manchu wrote:If I were a parent, I'd be less worried about my kids looking at porn than I would be about them making porn of themselves via vidchats and sexting.

ya that's a whole can of worms in itself. It made the news when an underage girl sent nude pics of herself to her boyfriend. she gets arrested for distributing child pornography.

Agreed but thats a separate topic.

Frazzled wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Manchu wrote:If I were a parent, I'd be less worried about my kids looking at porn than I would be about them making porn of themselves via vidchats and sexting.

ya that's a whole can of worms in itself. It made the news when an underage girl sent nude pics of herself to her boyfriend. she gets arrested for distributing child pornography.

Agreed but thats a separate topic.

Is it? I mean, we're talking about teaching kids "the difference between right and wrong" regarding internet use. It seems to me that they would go together.

Manchu wrote:If I were a parent, I'd be less worried about my kids looking at porn than I would be about them making porn of themselves via vidchats and sexting.

Your kids then learn that porn is acceptable and legitimate expression of sexuality...and now you're going to tell them that making porn is wrong?

I'm not sure you understand the right-wrong dichotomy.

biccat wrote:

Manchu wrote:If I were a parent, I'd be less worried about my kids looking at porn than I would be about them making porn of themselves via vidchats and sexting.

Your kids then learn that porn is acceptable and legitimate expression of sexuality...and now you're going to tell them that making porn is wrong?

I'm not sure you understand the right-wrong dichotomy.

Oh SNAP! sorry couldn't help myself.

biccat wrote:

Manchu wrote:If I were a parent, I'd be less worried about my kids looking at porn than I would be about them making porn of themselves via vidchats and sexting.

Your kids then learn that porn is acceptable and legitimate expression of sexuality...and now you're going to tell them that making porn is wrong?

I'm not sure you understand the right-wrong dichotomy.

No...children making porn is wrong.
Please read posts correctly before replying, it'd save everyone a lot of time.

@biccat: Nice try at insulting me but I clearly was not talking about the right-wrong dichotomy as implied by my response to Frazzled directly above your post. Don't feel bad. Frazzled obviously didn't read it either:

Frazzled wrote:Oh SNAP! sorry couldn't help myself.

Manchu wrote:@biccat: Nice try at insulting me but I clearly was not talking about the right-wrong dichotomy as implied by my response to Frazzled directly above your post. Don't feel bad. Frazzled obviously didn't read it either:

Frazzled wrote:Oh SNAP! sorry couldn't help myself.

Oh SNAP! fair point.

biccat wrote:

Manchu wrote:If I were a parent, I'd be less worried about my kids looking at porn than I would be about them making porn of themselves via vidchats and sexting.

Your kids then learn that porn is acceptable and legitimate expression of sexuality...and now you're going to tell them that making porn is wrong?

I'm not sure you understand the right-wrong dichotomy.

But what is right and what is wrong when it comes to sexuality?

To many generation have grown up with the church view, but is that really the right view? If we could all sit down honestly we could probably reach some happy middle ground, but there will still be a large part of people that don't want to hear it, and they sure won't tell their kids about it.

Just ponder back on your own sex life, when did you first start taking care of things, when did you find someone to take care of it for you? If you had a camera back then would you have taken pictures? Is that really a reason to destroy someones life by labeling children child molesters? I don't want to see answer here, just think about it. Our laws on these issues have been hodge podged over the years, like GW FAQ rulings, at some point it would be nice if our politicians could sit down with all these different laws spreading across different states and find a healthy balance.

Hell, I found the magazines when I was 12 and graduated to images online when I was 14. I still enjoy it, it's perfectly normal, and I'd say I started late. Of course, my dad had the talk about it all being faked in porn (except the moneyshot-couldn't fake that then, like you can now). Hell, half the body parts in porn are now fake. Teaching kids about sex is necessary, but the talk should also include why it is bad to show off at too young an age. I'm not a parent yet, so I don't envy those who have/had to address the situation.

I think mindless violence is far worse than porn. Up art!

Woah, four out of five? Holy cow. This is deeply disturbing, even to me. I always thought I was one of those few guys that watched it every day, but four out of five is way too much....

That includes girls too? I've never had and in-depth conversation with a girl about it, but I was under the impression it wasn't the same sort of addiction for women...

timetowaste85 wrote:Hell, I found the magazines when I was 12 and graduated to images online when I was 14. I still enjoy it, it's perfectly normal, and I'd say I started late. Of course, my dad had the talk about it all being faked in porn (except the moneyshot-couldn't fake that then, like you can now). Hell, half the body parts in porn are now fake. Teaching kids about sex is necessary, but the talk should also include why it is bad to show off at too young an age. I'm not a parent yet, so I don't envy those who have/had to address the situation.

You and your sensible reasoned approach have no place on the intranetz. Begone Demon!

Is anybody else kind of elated that girls are watching as much porn as guys?

Samus_aran115 wrote:Woah, four out of five? Holy cow. This is deeply disturbing, even to me. I always thought I was one of those few guys that watched it every day, but four out of five is way too much....

That includes girls too? I've never had and in-depth conversation with a girl about it, but I was under the impression it wasn't the same sort of addiction for women...

I've talked to quite a few different women on the subject, and they enjoy porn as much as the guys do. They're not as much into the movies, but read some of the books they're reading. trashy romance is a nice way of saying smut for women Its really all just a case by case basis though for men or women.

Manchu wrote:Is anybody else kind of elated that girls are watching as much porn as guys?

I know way more girls who watch porn than guys who do.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Woah, four out of five? Holy cow. This is deeply disturbing, even to me. I always thought I was one of those few guys that watched it every day, but four out of five is way too much....

That includes girls too? I've never had and in-depth conversation with a girl about it, but I was under the impression it wasn't the same sort of addiction for women...

4 out of 5 access it "regularly", but I didn't see anything defining what that meant.

And, yes, women access porn too. Perhaps not as often as men, and they usually aren't as open about it, but they do.

Grakmar wrote:How can kids access online porn? All those sites have things saying "click here if you're under 18" that redirect you away from the site. Are kids not clicking those things?

Haha, yeah right. Kids aren't stupid. They know how to lie, and they see no consequence in lying on the internet.

Also, how is it that only 1 in 3 10-year-olds have seen porn? That's a 5th grader. Back in my day, before the internet, every young boy had found his parent's, or his friend's parent's, porn stash well before 5th grade. I'd say 1 in 3 is actually lower than it ever has been before.

Really? I got into porn in middle school, after lots of pressure from other kids(middle school is a gak hole). I don't recall every hearing about porn before the 5th grade.

Frazzled wrote:

Kids aren't stupid, they know the difference between right and wrong. If they don't then look at other things to blame such as your addiction problems, lack of attention to them or your own poor attitudes and behaviour. Lousy parents lead to lousy kids, not porn.

Kids only know "right and wrong" if you teach them.

Kids only know socialially constructed definitions of right and wrong if you teach them.

Fixed that for you.

azazel the cat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Kids aren't stupid, they know the difference between right and wrong. If they don't then look at other things to blame such as your addiction problems, lack of attention to them or your own poor attitudes and behaviour. Lousy parents lead to lousy kids, not porn.

Kids only know "right and wrong" if you teach them.

Kids only know socialially constructed definitions of right and wrong if you teach them, or if they pick them up from their peers, who have just as much, if not more, influence than parents.

Fixed that for you.

Fixed that for you.

azazel the cat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Kids aren't stupid, they know the difference between right and wrong. If they don't then look at other things to blame such as your addiction problems, lack of attention to them or your own poor attitudes and behaviour. Lousy parents lead to lousy kids, not porn.

Kids only know "right and wrong" if you teach them.

Kids only know socialially constructed definitions of right and wrong if you teach them.

Fixed that for you.

If you had a point, you lost it.