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There are no opinions. There's Karon's way or death. Make your choice.

Personally I don't get the dislike for the idea of the Reapers and the Catalyst in an imperfect system, to me that's a pretty classic sci-fi theme. Nor do I get the focus on the Reapers as the bad guys.
To me they were tools or a natural force effectively, no willpower in what they were doing.
Possibly the malevolence was programmed in to give these sentient beings some actual desire to eradicate life, instead of stopping and thinking about things.

Even the architect, the Catalyst is not a 'bad guy' to me. As has been mentioned earlier it was trying to do the best it could to preserve life, which is arguably why it let species develop so far each cycle - giving them the longest possible time it could before they destroyed themselves/all life.
I feel the whole 'organic/inorganic' incompatibility was made a bit difficult though by the fact you could unite the Geth and Quarians not too long before being told they can't live together.

My problem actually lie with the lack of explanation as to what the Normandy was doing, not being in the fight and all, and more importantly the destruction of the Mass Relays, which if not just destroying galactic civilisation and making it impossible at least slows it down massively.
You've saved the galaxy, hooray! Now how do we get home?

Perhaps the rank and file Reapers didn't have a choice in what they were doing but overboss hologram kid did. What he's doing is evil even if he thinks it's for the good of the organics. The Normandy was probably waiting in orbit in stealth mode to extract everyone.

Lynata wrote:

Karon wrote:

Lynata wrote:Sad to hear you didn't like it.
It's all a matter of personal preferences!

No it's not.
The ending is just bad.

Oh, so it's wrong of me to like it and I should share in the nonsensical rage and rampant misinterpretation. Glad we cleared that up.

Its wrong for you to like something that is just fething terrible.

It has more plotholes than any game I've ever seen, and the the last 10 minutes is utter nonsense.

I won't go through them, as I already have many times before, but liking the ending is ridiculous.

Its not a matter of preference - the ending of ME3 is just a gakky ending from what we've gone through from ME1, ME2, and then ME3.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:There are no opinions. There's Karon's way or death. Make your choice.

Yeah, Red, Green or Blue!

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Perhaps the rank and file Reapers didn't have a choice in what they were doing but overboss hologram kid did. What he's doing is evil even if he thinks it's for the good of the organics. The Normandy was probably waiting in orbit in stealth mode to extract everyone.

Well, at times evil can be in the face of the beholder - and I think the Catalyst qualifies for this. Of course it's evil for the species of the current Cycle - but is that an objective assessment or rather driven by "egoistic" self-preservation?

In the end, I would probably agree it's more like a "necessary evil", but still evil, though. Like ... say, killing an innocent human being carrying a deadly virus to protect the community from being infected. I just wonder how the morale system of whoever built the Catalyst and the Reapers worked - evidently they placed great interest in the existence of organic life in general, yet care little for its individual forms. Is this the "intellect too alien to understand" that Sovereign was referring to, or is it really just cold machine logic, a spark of regret by an ancient synthetic civilization that wiped out nearly all organic life many, many cycles ago in a big war against their own creators - and then resolved to implement measures that history could not repeat itself?

As for the Normandy, I think she'd have participated in the battle but returned to Earth as general retreat was called. Then again, your interpretation would make sense, too. In spite of the military capabilities of the vessel, Shep has value for the Alliance as a symbol of humanity, so I could see them keeping resources in the back to make sure he/she is able to get out again if exfiltration is an option.

Karon wrote:Its wrong for you to like something that I declared being just fething terrible.

There, fixed that for you.

Introducing the star-child into the mix is the main problem I have with the ending. The Reapers themselves remaining the 'true' threat would have been an overall simpler and 'cleaner' direction. Having the major cause of conflict in a three act -long plot turning out to be the pawns of some super-powerful 'force' you introduced in the last 15 or so minutes of the game is just poor writing.

Ronin-Sage wrote:Introducing the star-child into the mix is the main problem I have with the ending. The Reapers themselves remaining the 'true' threat would have been an overall simpler and 'cleaner' direction. Having the major cause of conflict in a three act -long plot turning out to be the pawns of some super-powerful 'force' you introduced in the last 15 or so minutes of the game is just poor writing.

I hated the whole god child thing, I wanted to destroy the reapers just to spite it, which is what I did.

Was just waiting for a Renegade interrupt for me to throw the kid off the Citadel and start blowing up.

They say earlier in the game Harbinger is not the head reaper.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:They say earlier in the game Harbinger is not the head reaper.

What's your point here?

Ronin-Sage wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:They say earlier in the game Harbinger is not the head reaper.

What's your point here?

And then they showed who it is. That kid didn't come out of no where.

Karon wrote:Its wrong for you to like something that I declared being just fething terrible.

>Mass Effect 3 was rushed, and the ending was rushed to an extreme extent.
>Employee that left Bioware says the ending was only made by 2 people and not the entire team because of EA pestering.
>Everybody points out plot holes in it and explains how poorly written it is.
>Your choices made throughout the last 2 games and the current one have absolutely no impact whatsoever on the ending.
>Choose your flavor of ending when only one is actually going to be canon - makes only 1/3 of it relevant
>Ending is good

The fact that something like the Indoctrination Theory makes so much sense further shows the point of how poorly written and rushed the ending was, and, to a lesser extent, the entire game.

If your the ending of your game needs a DLC to explain what happened...your ending is terrible.

Karon wrote:

Karon wrote:Its wrong for you to like something that I declared being just fething terrible.

>Mass Effect 3 was rushed, and the ending was rushed to an extreme extent.
>Employee that left Bioware says the ending was only made by 2 people and not the entire team because of EA pestering.
>Everybody points out plot holes in it and explains how poorly written it is.
>Your choices made throughout the last 2 games and the current one have absolutely no impact whatsoever on the ending.
>Choose your flavor of ending when only one is actually going to be canon - makes only 1/3 of it relevant
>Ending is good

The fact that something like the Indoctrination Theory makes so much sense further shows the point of how poorly written and rushed the ending was, and, to a lesser extent, the entire game.

If your the ending of your game needs a DLC to explain what happened...your ending is terrible.

Exactly, Red is going to be the only canon ending considering that it's the only one that lets there be more DLC, also because it's the only one were Shepard lives.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Ronin-Sage wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:They say earlier in the game Harbinger is not the head reaper.

What's your point here?

And then they showed who it is. That kid didn't come out of no where.

The Catalyst is not a reaper itself -- the reapers are merely the tools it created and oversaw to solve a 'problem'.

It was established that Sovereign was a 'vanguard' or 'scout' reaper, yes, but the reapers themselves were still the main threat. The cycle was initially only vaguely referenced but even then, it would have been interpreted as the Reaper's own 'ingenious' doing, for the sake of progression and reproduction.

- "The Protheans were not the first. They did not create the Citadel. They did not forge the mass relays. They merely found them, the legacy of my kind."
- "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays, our technology. By using it, your society develops along the path we desire."
- "We are each a nation. Independent."

(Taken from the conversation with Sovereign towards the end of ME1)

Prior to the last fething fifteen minutes of the series, the Reapers were threats with their own agenda, not just tools. They were psuedo-Lovecraftian horrors from dark space, possessing vast knowledge and equally vast might. To render three games worth of plot progression ultimately irrelevant is simply bad or terribly rushed writing.

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As opposed to those who think it acceptable to rage nonstop about something, simply because things didn't go out in a way that they felt things should have?

This constant idea of "Well an ex-BioWare employee says that EA rushed the ending" without the name of an employee being produced is no different than the constant rumors we get about "my brother's cousin's boyfriend is an ex-Design Studio member and says that they're squatting X army!".

Karon and Amaya, honestly, you are being offensive and rude.