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2012/05/12 05:44:51
Subject: Re:Zahndrek (Phased Reinforcements) or Ethereal Interception with Veil of Darkness
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Basimpo wrote:This way, it makes it seem pointless to have the phased reinforcements ability. It is redundant. How many units, models, vehicles and pieces of terrain in the Necron arsenal is able to deepstrike?
1. Destroyer Lord.
2. Night Scythe
3. Deathmarks
4. Triarch Praetorians
5. Flayed Ones
6. Wraiths
7. Destroyers
8. Monolith
9. Doom Scythe
Sorry, took a little longer than a ten count to type all that out.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
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2012/05/12 05:58:14
Subject: Re:Zahndrek (Phased Reinforcements) or Ethereal Interception with Veil of Darkness
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Jump infantry can deepstrike? Thought that was with with jetpacks
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2012/05/12 06:00:46
Subject: Zahndrek (Phased Reinforcements) or Ethereal Interception with Veil of Darkness
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last sentence under movement on page 52, BGB.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/05/12 06:05:12
Subject: Zahndrek (Phased Reinforcements) or Ethereal Interception with Veil of Darkness
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
All kinds of places at once
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@lordhat:
Then, because deep strike moves can't be made normally during the enemy turn, none of the models with normal deep strike who were in deep strike reserve can come in on the enemy turn via PR either. Which means the ability does nothing. The only thing that would be able to use PR would be deathmarks, which already have their own version of it.
Deep Strike counts as movement according to the BGB. Your argument refutes itself.
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Lordhat wrote:Just because the codexes are the exactly the same, does not mean that that they're the same codex.
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2012/05/12 06:27:26
Subject: Re:Zahndrek (Phased Reinforcements) or Ethereal Interception with Veil of Darkness
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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My argument is that the Veiltek cannot Deepstrike without being able to move normally. Normal movement is a requirement for the wargaer to grant the DS. Being able to move is NOT a requirement for units that have the Deep Strike special rule by themselves (Drop Pods); and in fact the only requirement for a unit with the deep strike special rule is that they be held in reserve and be declared to be deep striking. I do concede that this is a very grey area, and my interpretation isn't the most popular one, but the added requirement to make use of the DS rule is the kicker IMO.
So to reiterate for clarity:
Models with the DS have constant and unlimited access to the DS rule, and can make use of it whenever they are deployed into reserve. Thus they are able to deepstrike when PR activates.
Crypteks with the VoD have limited and specific access to the DS rule, and indeed cannot use it unless they can move normally. Thus they are not able to deepstrike when PR activates.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/05/12 06:36:40
Subject: Zahndrek (Phased Reinforcements) or Ethereal Interception with Veil of Darkness
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
All kinds of places at once
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Ok. I have a better understanding of your position. That being said, you can't deep strike without making a successful reserves roll. Because none of the units arriving via PR have the capability to roll to arrive (as it is not the beginning of their movement phase) they are not fulfilling a required condition of their eligibility to deep strike either, meaning that again, PR will do nothing.
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Check out my project, 41.0, which aims to completely rewrite 40k!
Yngir theme song:
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Lordhat wrote:Just because the codexes are the exactly the same, does not mean that that they're the same codex.
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2012/05/12 06:39:58
Subject: Zahndrek (Phased Reinforcements) or Ethereal Interception with Veil of Darkness
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Pr does specifically allow the DS deployment without the roll. Much like the monolith's portal.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/05/12 06:45:37
Subject: Zahndrek (Phased Reinforcements) or Ethereal Interception with Veil of Darkness
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
All kinds of places at once
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It says no such thing. The EI rules do, but the PR rules do not.
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Check out my project, 41.0, which aims to completely rewrite 40k!
Yngir theme song:
I get knocked down, but I get up again, you're never gonna keep me down; I get knocked down...
Lordhat wrote:Just because the codexes are the exactly the same, does not mean that that they're the same codex.
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2012/05/12 06:50:17
Subject: Zahndrek (Phased Reinforcements) or Ethereal Interception with Veil of Darkness
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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"can choose to enter play....via deepstrike....." That is definitely permission to skip the roll, since units in reserve normally don't have a choice about when they enter play.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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