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biccat wrote:

Amaya wrote:

kronk wrote:There hasn't been a 5-star since Omar Bradley, right?

Correct and that was nearly 60 years ago.

So he was correct, even if it was by mistake.

Say what?

Technically Omar Bradly remained a Five Star General until his death in 1981 and even had his own office in the Pentagon into the early 90's.

LordofHats wrote:So what I get from this is that Anon somehow has access to isolated servers that exist on their own networks with no connection to the outside world beyond the building in which they reside.

[and others saying basically the same thing]

Listen, I agree that these are ridiculous claims, but you guys really need to learn how to read.

You know how we got access? We didn't hack them. The access was given to us by the people who run the systems.

It is irrelevant that it has no connection to the outside world if they're given access by insiders (for example, if the insiders ARE a part of anonymous), which would allow them to take the information out of the network itself.

Was this just a clever ploy to make me remember that group of dick holes?

Amaya wrote:

biccat wrote:

Amaya wrote:

kronk wrote:There hasn't been a 5-star since Omar Bradley, right?

Correct and that was nearly 60 years ago.

So he was correct, even if it was by mistake.

Say what?

"The five-star general (and) the Secretary of Defence who sit in the cushy plush offices at the top of the Pentagon don't run anything anymore"

Totally correct.

LordofHats wrote:Technically Omar Bradly remained a Five Star General until his death in 1981 and even had his own office in the Pentagon into the early 90's.

That is true, he's technically General of the Army (Retired) permanently. There hasn't been an active duty 5 star since 1953.

It is irrelevant that it has no connection to the outside world if they're given access by insiders (for example, if the insiders ARE a part of anonymous), which would allow them to take the information out of the network itself.

Government employees aren't allowed to take data storage devices in and out of these sites. They're actually searched coming and going and data storage devices are used no where in the buildings.

My guess, is that Anon maybe has access to a few small databases that hold low level information that no one cares about, and they like to think they have more than they really do.

LordofHats wrote:

It is irrelevant that it has no connection to the outside world if they're given access by insiders (for example, if the insiders ARE a part of anonymous), which would allow them to take the information out of the network itself.

Government employees aren't allowed to take data storage devices in and out of these sites. They're actually searched coming and going and data storage devices are used no where in the buildings.

My guess, is that Anon maybe has access to a few small databases that hold low level information that no one cares about, and they like to think they have more than they really do.

Anyone caught giving information contained in these servers to an outside source could possibly be charged with high treason and could face the death penalty, at the least they'll be facing a very long jail sentence and no future job prospects when they eventually get out (Broke Government Security Protocol does not look good on your resume). How many people with access would risk that to give information to a group like Anonymous, considering how likely it is that they would get caught?

All activity on these servers will be logged. All people entering these server rooms will be recorded. So if this information were to be leaked then there would be a list of everyone who had access and when they accessed it and what they did with the information they accessed. The people with access to the server rooms will not have access to the data logs or recordings.

Take a step back.
Gary Mckinnon, one man who hacked into the pentagon and covered his tracks well enough for them to have to spend $7000,000 to track him.
He's a autistic or aspergers sydrome man, just one guy.
He wrote and I quote 'Your defense systems are crap'

Anon are an organisation and probably would have 20+ peoplr working on it. Most likely only three can acheive anything the rest are script kiddies attention seekers or scaoe goats for the plotters.

The ones you should worry about are those that are self taught hackers who a spectres leaving no imprint.
I've got some thoughts on lots of things, but I would laugh if they fooled them into working on a proxy pentagon.

Either way I wouldn't take then lightly. The guy speaking out is a moron and I doubt Anon would have any ties other than him being a scapegoat.

Anyway it's time to learn how to defend these attacks and offer my services haha.

InquisitorVaron wrote:Take a step back.
Gary Mckinnon, one man who hacked into the pentagon and covered his tracks well enough for them to have to spend $7000,000 to track him.
He's a autistic or aspergers sydrome man, just one guy.
He wrote and I quote 'Your defense systems are crap'

Anon are an organisation and probably would have 20+ peoplr working on it. Most likely only three can acheive anything the rest are script kiddies attention seekers or scaoe goats for the plotters.

The ones you should worry about are those that are self taught hackers who a spectres leaving no imprint.
I've got some thoughts on lots of things, but I would laugh if they fooled them into working on a proxy pentagon.

Either way I wouldn't take then lightly. The guy speaking out is a moron and I doubt Anon would have any ties other than him being a scapegoat.

Anyway it's time to learn how to defend these attacks and offer my services haha.

McKinnon shut down some of their computer networks. That is not the same as having access to what are some of the most secure computer systems in the world, the kinds of computer systems which calculate targets for full scale nuclear strikes.

Which is bluster.
What would their purpose be? They're not radicals and value life, a good majority probably are in America.
A mole would be found and killed for high treason.

If he was serious then he wouldn't have said it, no attacks come to mind where they've said they will do it beforehand.

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Anyone caught giving information contained in these servers to an outside source could possibly be charged with high treason and could face the death penalty, at the least they'll be facing a very long jail sentence and no future job prospects when they eventually get out (Broke Government Security Protocol does not look good on your resume). How many people with access would risk that to give information to a group like Anonymous, considering how likely it is that they would get caught?

Throw in the fact that careers requiring security clearance are generally quite lucrative, and there is little incentive to break protocol.

A Town Called Malus wrote:

InquisitorVaron wrote:Take a step back.
Gary Mckinnon, one man who hacked into the pentagon and covered his tracks well enough for them to have to spend $7000,000 to track him.
He's a autistic or aspergers sydrome man, just one guy.
He wrote and I quote 'Your defense systems are crap'

Anon are an organisation and probably would have 20+ peoplr working on it. Most likely only three can acheive anything the rest are script kiddies attention seekers or scaoe goats for the plotters.

The ones you should worry about are those that are self taught hackers who a spectres leaving no imprint.
I've got some thoughts on lots of things, but I would laugh if they fooled them into working on a proxy pentagon.

Either way I wouldn't take then lightly. The guy speaking out is a moron and I doubt Anon would have any ties other than him being a scapegoat.

Anyway it's time to learn how to defend these attacks and offer my services haha.

McKinnon shut down some of their computer networks. That is not the same as having access to what are some of the most secure computer systems in the world, the kinds of computer systems which calculate targets for full scale nuclear strikes.

Exactly, I bet you not even one of these Anon people have ever even see what you would actually is classified and not just thought to be "Top Secret", true top secret things are stuff like Nuclear Missile sites, research, and the like.

There idea that they will or have gotten info from that Pasty faced computer nerd is ridiculous because I doubt that nerd has the balls to commit high treason.

Alexzandvar wrote:
Exactly, I bet you not even one of these Anon people have ever even see what you would actually is classified and not just thought to be "Top Secret", true top secret things are stuff like Nuclear Missile sites, research, and the like.

And some high level intelligence gathering material. Often times information isn't rated Top Secret because of its content, but because of how it was obtained.

dogma wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Anyone caught giving information contained in these servers to an outside source could possibly be charged with high treason and could face the death penalty, at the least they'll be facing a very long jail sentence and no future job prospects when they eventually get out (Broke Government Security Protocol does not look good on your resume). How many people with access would risk that to give information to a group like Anonymous, considering how likely it is that they would get caught?

Throw in the fact that careers requiring security clearance are generally quite lucrative, and there is little incentive to break protocol.

Even for all that Wikileaks proves that such a thing can happen. Admittedly the same thing happening twice is not likely (I would hope) but still the possiblity exists.

dogma wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:
Exactly, I bet you not even one of these Anon people have ever even see what you would actually is classified and not just thought to be "Top Secret", true top secret things are stuff like Nuclear Missile sites, research, and the like.

And some high level intelligence gathering material. Often times information isn't rated Top Secret because of its content, but because of how it was obtained.

Not to mention the revealing of the existence of such files let alone the information held within can be classified as treason.

Again, Anon does not have the balls.

Alexzandvar wrote:

dogma wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:
Exactly, I bet you not even one of these Anon people have ever even see what you would actually is classified and not just thought to be "Top Secret", true top secret things are stuff like Nuclear Missile sites, research, and the like.

And some high level intelligence gathering material. Often times information isn't rated Top Secret because of its content, but because of how it was obtained.

Not to mention the revealing of the existence of such files let alone the information held within can be classified as treason.

Again, Anon does not have the balls.

And if these Anon members who do reveal said information are not American citizens (and so cannot be accused of treason for revealing US information) then they get the just as nice crime of Espionage. So I guess that would give the CIA free reign to take out the enemy agents. The orders would probably be along the lines of "Terminate with extreme prejudice". No messing around with radioactive shoes or exploding cigars here

dogma wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:
Exactly, I bet you not even one of these Anon people have ever even see what you would actually is classified and not just thought to be "Top Secret", true top secret things are stuff like Nuclear Missile sites, research, and the like.

And some high level intelligence gathering material. Often times information isn't rated Top Secret because of its content, but because of how it was obtained.

Or a combination. I've classified things because of content exclusive of platform, platform exclusive of content, and both. Generally content is most important unless it was gathered by a human source.

It's also not as if ALL secure databases are hard wired only. DoDs SIPR net certainly isnt...it is what it stands for: a Secure Internet Protocol ROUTER, all the lines from the routers are monitored and hard wire only...but the transition between the network could be intercepted. That said SIPR isn't the most secure network in the government. It's just a handy and well documented example. I still maintain that Anon doesn't have even a fraction of what they claim if anything at all. Generally speaking people who have access to secure databases and the facilities they are housed in are well vetted. While substantial enough to be sensational the level of data that wikileaks got though that Army kid were low level compared to "every secret government database." Truth is the .mil is the easiest point of entry for intelligence gathering so it also has the most compartmentalized access and the lowest common denominator for vetting. I have little doubt the networks of the three letter agencies and anything above them are much better protected.

Duuuuuh ok we believe you anonymous, go back to reading your stupid quote of a fethin movie.

So some people on the inside gave valuable information, while risking there jobs to a few acne ridden children?

http://www.disinfo.com/2012/05/anonymous-hacks-u-s-department-of-justice/

Alex Fitzpatrick writes on Mashable:

Anonymous is taking credit for a confirmed breach of security at the U.S. Department of Justice, although the exact contents of the data bounty are not yet known.

“Today we are releasing 1.7 GB of data that used to belong to the United States Bureau of Justice, until now,” reads an Anonymous press release, referring to the Department of Justice. “Within the booty you may find lots of shiny things such as internal emails, and the entire database dump.”

The hacktivist collective has been known to make bold claims, but a Department of Justice spokeswoman confirmed to Reuters that Anonymous members did indeed access a server that hosts the Department’s statistical data, including cybersecurity records…

The "press release" from Anon.

Greetings world,
We are Anonymous.
Today we are releaseing 1.7GB of data that used to belong to the United States Bureau of Justice, until now.
Within the booty you may find lots of shiny things such as internal emails, and the entire database dump.
We Lulzed as they took the website down after being owned, clearly showing they were scared of what
inevitably happened.

We do not stand for any government or parties, we stand for freedom of people, freedom of speech and freedom of information.
We are releasing data to spread information, to allow the people to be heard and to know the corruption in their government. We are releasing it to end the corruption that exists, and truly make those who are being oppressed free.
The price we pay very often is our own freedom. The price governments pay is the exposure of their corruption and the truth being revealed, for the truth will set us free in the end.
So once more we call on you. Hackers, activists, and freedom fighters; join us in our struggle against these corporate hypocrites.

The five-star general (and) the Secretary of Defence who sit in the cushy plush offices at the top of the Pentagon don't run anything anymore. It's the pimply-faced kid in the basement who controls the whole game, and Bradley Manning proved that.

The Falcon and the Snowman proved that. I mean, since we've had typists then underlings have had access to sensitive information, probably before then.


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InquisitorVaron wrote:Take a step back.
Gary Mckinnon, one man who hacked into the pentagon and covered his tracks well enough for them to have to spend $7000,000 to track him.
He's a autistic or aspergers sydrome man, just one guy.
He wrote and I quote 'Your defense systems are crap'

The $700,000 was the cost of identifying and replacing the files McKinnon deleted, not the cost of tracking him down (and this number is in dispute, possibly invented by US authorities so that they can claim sufficient damages to undertake extradition). McKinnon hardly got access to the most confidential parts of the US government. He accessed naval logistics, and the OS of the US Army's Washington District. It isn't really the same thing as getting into Langley.