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LoneLictor wrote:

d-usa wrote:Somebody has to paint the murals of our dear leader.

Amen brother. In between pressuring catholic girls into having abortions, worshiping Satan, using welfare money to buy another mansion, banning commerce and murdering the last productive members of society I've been working on painting my own version of this.

UNEMPLOYMENT IS DOWN! OBAMUNISM WORKS! HEIL DEAR LEADER OBAMA!

It's a good start, but clearly we need to think big enough to paint on the side of the supreme court!

ph34r wrote:My question is why is their budget contingent on a soda machine that they are not supposed to use? Or do students only buy soda during lunch while otherwise they would buy it outside lunch time? At a fine of 75 cents per use they would surely still be making profit.

I see no reason in any case for them to cut the arts. Spending on sports can get ridiculous fast. 15 grand is huge to an arts program.

I saw a lot of people in college that couldn't do anything creative to save their life. Those people are going to have a damn hard time finding a job when they have to think outside the box.

Yeah, exactly. And there are plenty of people in creative fields that would never have an opportunity to get a job like that if they hadn't gotten started in school arts programs.

LoneLictor wrote:

d-usa wrote:Somebody has to paint the murals of our dear leader.

Amen brother. In between pressuring catholic girls into having abortions, worshiping Satan, using welfare money to buy another mansion, banning commerce and murdering the last productive members of society I've been working on painting my own version of this.

UNEMPLOYMENT IS DOWN! OBAMUNISM WORKS! HEIL DEAR LEADER OBAMA!

I think you forgot to mention smoking crack as part of "scientific research" funded with the taxpayers' money.

Hordini wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

d-usa wrote:Somebody has to paint the murals of our dear leader.

Amen brother. In between pressuring catholic girls into having abortions, worshiping Satan, using welfare money to buy another mansion, banning commerce and murdering the last productive members of society I've been working on painting my own version of this.

UNEMPLOYMENT IS DOWN! OBAMUNISM WORKS! HEIL DEAR LEADER OBAMA!

I think you forgot to mention smoking crack as part of "scientific research" funded with the taxpayers' money.

I'm part of soooooo many different taxpayer funded studies that I don't even remember most of 'em anymore. In one of them all I do is stare at a Horse's butt and write what I think and then they pay $40k I week. Sometimes I don't show up, but they still pay me.

I got paid a decent chunk of money from the national endowment of the arts to go trespass on private property and take picture.

This country is great.

d-usa wrote:I got paid a decent chunk of money from the national endowment of the arts to go trespass on private property and take picture.

This country is great.

One time Obama handed me a bag full of coke in a back alley. In exchange I burnt down a church.

LoneLictor wrote:

d-usa wrote:I got paid a decent chunk of money from the national endowment of the arts to go trespass on private property and take picture.

This country is great.

One time Obama handed me a bag full of coke in a back alley. In exchange I burnt down a church.

Pics or it didn't happen

As if schools weren't having their budgets slashed enough already to hurt student educations...what brain-dead moron thought fining a school $15,000 was a good idea over having a soda machine turned on? I move for a vote of no confidence in this official. May he be castrated as painfully as possible.

On a side note, Frazzled, can I borrow your dogs' teeth?

What brain-dead moron school official doesn't know where their own sod machines are?

The school officials admitted that they knew about the rule, and that they were following the rule with the soda machine near the cafeteria. Their excuse for breaking the federal regulations basically boils down to this:

"We have a soda machine in the library? What the feth?"

Possibly the only way to actually get students into the library.

While sodas are out, Gatorade is allowed.

“You can sell Snickers and Milkyway bars because they have nuts and they're nutritious. You can't sell licorice, but you can sell ice-cream,” Burton said.

The idea of the federal law is to cut down on our nations obesity epidemic and force kids to eat real food during lunch.

I am just dumbstruck by this. Snickers and Milkyways are healthy now? What?

Wat?

Well, they are more nutritious than sugarwater.

But keep in mind that the rules come from the same people that gave us the "Pizza is a vegetable" rule.

d-usa wrote:Well, they are more nutritious than sugarwater.

But keep in mind that the rules come from the same people that gave us the "Pizza is a vegetable" rule.

Republicans?

Maybe, but I thought they gave us the proof that evolution doesn't exist with peanut butter instead.

Melissia wrote:Screw that, they should take money from their sports programs, and focus on teaching the kids instead.

ROFL. Gov't enforces ridiculous food laws to fight obesity and you suggested cutting sports programs? I'm sure you don't see the, it's not irony...what's the word I'm looking for? Doesn't matter. While they are at it they should cut PE back from it's alread abysmal one year requirement to the same elective status as say the fine arts. That way they can eat healthy, not excersize, and be fantastically fat flautists. I love it!


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Amaya wrote:Possibly the only way to actually get students into the library.

Bookstore actually.

AustonT wrote:

Melissia wrote:Screw that, they should take money from their sports programs, and focus on teaching the kids instead.

ROFL. Gov't enforces ridiculous food laws to fight obesity and you suggested cutting sports programs? I'm sure you don't see the, it's not irony...what's the word I'm looking for? Doesn't matter. While they are at it they should cut PE back from it's alread abysmal one year requirement to the same elective status as say the fine arts. That way they can eat healthy, not excersize, and be fantastically fat flautists. I love it!

I would rather have fat kids with a good education and an appreciation of the arts than skinny muscular kids with a piss poor education and as much appreciation for the humanities as a dog.

Who cares if the soda machine was on. They kids still would have gotten soda, they just would of had to wait 30 minutes.

Pffft. Cut the sports.

Your average well-to-do suburban high school has tens of thousands of dollars budgeted towards sports, sometime hundreds of thousands. At the same schools you have art teachers who have to take up collections from the students or pay out of their own pockets for supplies for class. It's saddening. I can't believe some arseholes value the ability to to chuck an inflated leather egg over the ability to create and imagine.

Great White wrote:Who cares if the soda machine was on. They kids still would have gotten soda, they just would of had to wait 30 minutes.

Or gone to the corner store.

Yeah, I think the pizza as a vegetable thing was a bi-partisan effort that came together out of a shared sense of greed.

deathholydeath wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Melissia wrote:Screw that, they should take money from their sports programs, and focus on teaching the kids instead.

ROFL. Gov't enforces ridiculous food laws to fight obesity and you suggested cutting sports programs? I'm sure you don't see the, it's not irony...what's the word I'm looking for? Doesn't matter. While they are at it they should cut PE back from it's alread abysmal one year requirement to the same elective status as say the fine arts. That way they can eat healthy, not excersize, and be fantastically fat flautists. I love it!

I would rather have fat kids with a good education and an appreciation of the arts than skinny muscular kids with a piss poor education and as much appreciation for the humanities as a dog.

You're right feth sports.

I'd rather be fit than have an appreciation for the humanities; luckily I don't have to make that choice. There are plenty of kids who are both fat and stupid; and as useless as a fat, stupid dog.

I also don't think the governments problem with the vending machines was about health. If it was, there would be no vending machines in any school. It's about something else, I just can't put my finger on it. And I agree with the cutting of the sports program and not the fine arts. Sports in schools are a luxury. You don't need a sports team to make a school. Sure it's cool, but it should always come second. Schools are made for learning, not sports. Rant over.

Sports programs don't help kids stay fit very well for the dollar, as the most expensive parts benefit only a few dozen children (the team). PE can be maintained easily while still making cuts to sports fields, lights, etc.

In either case the fact that pizza is considered a vegetable is ridiculous and just the government paying into the interests of corporations who want to push their food, at the cost of our youths getting fat and having horrible (and expensive) health problems later down the line. Something really needs to be done about children+junk food.

Maybe instead of having fines for making soda machines accessible at certain times of the day, you should just look at not having soda machines in schools at all?

Frazzled wrote:Davis High School Principal Dee Burton said that the law is disingenuous. For example, while students can’t buy soda, they can buy sugar-loaded sports drinks and even Snickers bars because they contain, you guessed it, nuts. In addition, students can buy soda earlier in the day before the machines get turned off and drink it during lunch.

Davis High School Principal Dee Burton doesn't know what disingenuous means. Lots of people don't, so this wouldn't be remarkable, except she's the principal of a high school, and if people like that can't use words correctly, what hope is there that kids will learn what words actually mean?

For the record, the law could be described as "inconsistent", or perhaps "poorly conceived", but "disingenuous" would require some element of intentional deceit on behalf of the lawmakers, that they included the Snickers nuts exception intentionally.


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Frazzled wrote:I take it you're ok with the fine then?

The fine is stupid. But even stupider is having soda machines in schools at all.


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Chowderhead wrote:Why don't they (Gov't) just take away the Soda Machine and give them a 500 dollar slap on the wrist?

Seriously. 15 grand for a soda machine is way too much.

Soft drink companies will sponsor the schools for way more than that to get them to put those machines in the schools.

Which then circles to funding likely leading to it as they might actually need that extra money to keep some things going.

AustonT wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Melissia wrote:Screw that, they should take money from their sports programs, and focus on teaching the kids instead.

ROFL. Gov't enforces ridiculous food laws to fight obesity and you suggested cutting sports programs? I'm sure you don't see the, it's not irony...what's the word I'm looking for? Doesn't matter. While they are at it they should cut PE back from it's alread abysmal one year requirement to the same elective status as say the fine arts. That way they can eat healthy, not excersize, and be fantastically fat flautists. I love it!

I would rather have fat kids with a good education and an appreciation of the arts than skinny muscular kids with a piss poor education and as much appreciation for the humanities as a dog.

You're right feth sports.

I'd rather be fit than have an appreciation for the humanities; luckily I don't have to make that choice. There are plenty of kids who are both fat and stupid; and as useless as a fat, stupid dog.

Sports programs only benefit a small percentage of a school's population-- the team. If we're talking about keeping high school students fit... well, in my opinion, it's not really sports programs or PE that makes the difference--it's the drive of the student.
I would cut funding for sports simply because all you really need for a sports program is an empty lot and a spherical object to throw or kick. At least that was my experience growing up in Louisiana. Arts programs tend to actually need all the expensive gak on their shopping list. Any wargamer knows that paints, brushes, and the like are expensive supplies.
However, the value of these individual programs is relative. YMMV

Anyway, with regard to the pic... no amount of sports is going to help those kids-- they're just fethed. They probably metabolize at a rate somewhere around the MPH of frozen molasses.

There's also making sculptures out of materials you can find, doesn't work for inner city schools but more rural ones could get away with sticks and such. The main problem then becomes the glue since it shouldn't be assumed they'd be able to get it to hold by friction alone.

More or less why do they always cut from a single area rather than split it amongst all the areas that can afford it to soften the blow. Or like KK mentioned much earlier, have a fund for paying off cases like this.

When you look at the overall situation it has to be asked why schools need to have vending machines anyway.

We never did when I was at school, and my daughter's school doesn't have them now.

If there were no vending machines there would be no need to have a law to control their use.

Kilkrazy wrote:When you look at the overall situation it has to be asked why schools need to have vending machines anyway.

We never did when I was at school, and my daughter's school doesn't have them now.

If there were no vending machines there would be no need to have a law to control their use.

I agree that schools don't need vending machines at all, but many schools have them in order to raise money for different things. At my school they kept a "Coca-Cola Fund" from soda sales to do field trips and things with, which is probably one reason schools keep them. In this case it seems to have backfired, which is stupid. If they really want to promote being healthy, they shouldn't have soda on campus at all, and certainly not diet soda either.

I don't doubt there are likely vending machines with the option of having healthy drinks in them as well as the sodas. Achieves the same thing with less of a fuss about it. Should be exempt from the fine if it has a certain ratio of healthy to unhealthy.

n0t_u wrote:I don't doubt there are likely vending machines with the option of having healthy drinks in them as well as the sodas. Achieves the same thing with less of a fuss about it. Should be exempt from the fine if it has a certain ratio of healthy to unhealthy.

Vending machines with healthy drinks would be totally fine, if they just got rid of the soda completely.