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Tadashi wrote:

riplikash wrote:What? No. Tadashi, you usually have a pretty good handle on Imperial fluff, but you are way off on this one.

One thing I am sure off: no innovation. Although given the Mechanicus' pragmatism, it's likely they'll at least try to educate any scientists and engineers they come across in the proper manner of things.

As for government, we'd probably be left alone, but there will be some resistance. Not everyone wants to be part of a single government, especially a theocratic oligarchy despite all its benefits and technological advantage. If the worst happens, well, the ones who sided with the Imperials will be rewarded I'm sure by becoming the new ruling class. They may or may not memory-alter and/or deport them but the new ruling will need lots of off-world troops to maintain order for the first few decades.

No disagreement on those points, at least if it's a full integration.

Tadashi wrote:One thing I am sure off: no innovation.

You are sure of a falsity.

The Imperium DOES innovate in terms of technology. It just does it very slowly and very irregularly by our standards. The fact hat the Imperium has research stations and comes up with new weapons (not just discovers old weapons, actually coming up with new designs and new alterations of old designs) proves this well enough.

Yup, its just that the research only happens in very regimented and monitored conditions.


Imagine if the government did research today?

Technology would be alot less advanced then it is now. There are only a few technologies that were developed by the Government, most are done by civilian entities.

A topic I've always dreamed of seeing in a BL book is a "modern" and liberal human world attempting to resist Imperial assimilation and eventual invasion red dawn style. Terrified soldiers and guerrillas running into Space Marines, a purge of a UN-style world body by the Inquisition, mass executions of dissenters by Arbites, indoctrination centers and slave labor camps for the masses, ambushing convoys of Guardsmen, rebel leaders on the run from Assassins. An epic tale it would be.

Though of course this will never happen, so it's more important to deal with the topic at hand. It'd basically be 3 stages:

1: Initial Contact. Probably very enthusiastically greeted by Earth
2: Negotiations for unification. This is when we realize just what the Imperium really is and reject their terms
3: Pacification. See the many Earth vs Imperium threads for this.

Melissia wrote:

Tadashi wrote:One thing I am sure off: no innovation.

You are sure of a falsity.

The Imperium DOES innovate in terms of technology. It just does it very slowly and very irregularly by our standards. The fact hat the Imperium has research stations and comes up with new weapons (not just discovers old weapons, actually coming up with new designs and new alterations of old designs) proves this well enough.

I'm pretty sure Imperial 'innovation' basically consists of improving existing technologies, analyzing and trying to replicate recovered data from the Golden Age of Technology, and reverse-engineering alien technology such as Jokaero digital weaponry and C'tan phase weapons. Innovation and creativity as we know it today is frowned upon, if not considered outright heretical.

Tadashi wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Tadashi wrote:One thing I am sure off: no innovation.

You are sure of a falsity.

The Imperium DOES innovate in terms of technology. It just does it very slowly and very irregularly by our standards. The fact hat the Imperium has research stations and comes up with new weapons (not just discovers old weapons, actually coming up with new designs and new alterations of old designs) proves this well enough.

I'm pretty sure Imperial 'innovation' basically consists of improving existing technologies, analyzing and trying to replicate recovered data from the Golden Age of Technology, and reverse-engineering alien technology such as Jokaero digital weaponry and C'tan phase weapons. Innovation and creativity as we know it today is frowned upon, if not considered outright heretical.

Once every few centuries they do in fact inovate. The Despoiler class battleship, a dedicated carrier, was inovative ( not so much the design by itself but the idea to create a dedicated carrier ) at it's time.
Of course, the extremely traditional imperial navy promptly lost interest in carrier ships and eventualy lost the advanced Despoilers to chaos.

The smartest thing a newly discovered world could do is to destroy the responsible explorder/rogue trader before they can get that info back to the Imperium.
The second smartest thing is to prepare for all out war. With a bit luck the Imperium isn't interested in waging long wars for a single world, especialy one that has sharp teeth and is otherwise harmless.

Tadashi wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Tadashi wrote:One thing I am sure off: no innovation.

You are sure of a falsity.

The Imperium DOES innovate in terms of technology. It just does it very slowly and very irregularly by our standards. The fact hat the Imperium has research stations and comes up with new weapons (not just discovers old weapons, actually coming up with new designs and new alterations of old designs) proves this well enough.

I'm pretty sure Imperial 'innovation' basically consists of improving existing technologies, analyzing and trying to replicate recovered data from the Golden Age of Technology, and reverse-engineering alien technology such as Jokaero digital weaponry and C'tan phase weapons. Innovation and creativity as we know it today is frowned upon, if not considered outright heretical.

Reverse engineering isn't innovation.
Innovation, in this aspect, is a creative solution to a problem.
Modern Day Humanity encourages it because it's pretty damn useful in many cases.
In the Imperium innovation is allowed but also controlled and subject to many checks and tests.
You can develop a new weapon for instance but you will need to put it through rigorous testing and convince people to allow it to be sanctioned by the top hats in the AdMech.

purplefood wrote:
You can develop a new weapon for instance but you will need to put it through rigorous testing and convince people to allow it to be sanctioned by the top hats in the AdMech.

Which could take decades or centuries.

KingDeath wrote:
Once every few centuries they do in fact inovate. The Despoiler class battleship, a dedicated carrier, was inovative ( not so much the design by itself but the idea to create a dedicated carrier ) at it's time.
Of course, the extremely traditional imperial navy promptly lost interest in carrier ships and eventualy lost the advanced Despoilers to chaos.

Isn't the Emperor-class, currently the most common Imperial battleship, a carrier as opposed to a line battleship like the Retribution-class?

IMHO "depends" is the best answer

They don't have to unite the population, plenty of cases in fluff of planets have multiple governments, state, guild and the like.

In most cases they turn up issue demands if everyone capitulates then they drop off a few priests to convince the local that there god/gods are actually the emperor and then drop off a few munitorium officials and start demanding/claculating tithe and let be. If they don't capitualte pick one of the nations that did and support them in world domination or pick one of the one that didn't and wipe them off the globe.

Unless the world is of particular strategic, resource or location, importance then they probably drop off a lot more infastructure. The imperium has a lot on it's plate so conquests need to be quick. Wipping out a population and starting again has to be a last resort.

As long as they deliver tithe who cares what they do.

Tadashi wrote:
Isn't the Emperor-class, currently the most common Imperial battleship, a carrier as opposed to a line battleship like the Retribution-class?

The Emperor class is an ancient and seemingly rare ship. It might even be a pre-imperial design. ( the Divine Right was suposed to be lost before the great crusade ).
The Despoiler class on the other hand was apparently built to herald, at least within battlefleet Tempestus, a completely new approach to space warfare.

the Emperor class is more of a command vessel with carrier capabilities, not a dedicated carrier ship.

You might even get an Imperial Commander who just can;t be bothered with dealing with yet another long winded integration and erradicates the population to make way for mining..............

or a maybe a hyperspace bypass.............

"you do know the plans have been on view in the Sector Capaital for the requistie hundred years - I don't know apathetic bloody planet, if you can't be bothered to take an interest in your local affairs......thats your own lookout"

McNinja wrote:

Mr Morden wrote:The Imperium may not even act imediately when they uncover a new world: They may dispatch the Sisters of the Order Sabine:

Sisters of the Order Sabine operate at the very edges of human space on newly rediscovered human worlds. They specialising in infiltrating the regressed and primitive societies which may oppose the imminent arrival of the Imperium. The Sisters often set themselves up as prophets of the Emperor and foment revolt against the religious leaders of a world. When the Missionarus Galaxia arrives, the Sisters Sabine will have prophesised such an event, and lead those natives sympathetic to the Imperial Creed in a sudden and deadly coup. The Sisters Sabine are often cut off from the Imperium for a great many years, and many have the appearance of having 'gone native', adopting the clothing, language and manners of the culture they are infiltrating.

The Missionarus Galaxia also deals with new worlds:
There are still countless worlds yet to see the light of the Emperor and it is the goal of the Missionarus Galaxia to bring the Imperial Creed to these lost worlds, spreading the wisdom of the Emperor whilst expanding the reach of the Adeptus Ministorum. The Ministorum seek to send at least one Missionary with every exploratory vessel and should a lost community be discovered, learn their culture and forms of worship before teach the doctrines of the Imperial Creed to the natives. This can be a long process, substituting the Emperor for the natives own dominant deity or deities, removing the more barbaric and less desirable aspects of the native creed. The Missionarus Galaxia is considered one of the most free and undisciplined parts of the Ministorum valuing initiative, courage, and intelligence above raw faith and inflexible dedication to the word of Ecclesiarchal lore.

Rogue Traders and Explorators are so very diverse that the world takes pot luck in how they are treated and contacted - it may be a brutal invasion, diplomatic envoys or merchantile missions. If the planet is to be abosrbed into the Imperium then it will be assessed by the Adminstrautum, Church and Mechanicus to decide what elemetns can be kep, what elimiated - although this again would depend on the resources that each could muster to deal with the world.

short answer - its 40K it depends

That sounds very much like the Ori from Stargate SG-1.

I'd lay good odds that both of them stole the idea from the same source: the Bene Gesserit's Missonaria Protectiva in Dune .

Mr Morden wrote:You might even get an Imperial Commander who just can;t be bothered with dealing with yet another long winded integration and erradicates the population to make way for mining.

I doubt it. Maybe they'd wipe out a good portion fo the population to make room for an agg-world though, as we have potential for that, not really mining at this point. Unless they're gonna mine the iron core out or something.

True - it was partly a set up for my reference to Hitch Hikers sorry about that

The Apeptus Mechanicus might do it if they saw our tech as too heretical - plus they might well go after the core......