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Mannahnin wrote:

Good catch!

Per the general Reserve rules, page 124, a dedicated transport and its unit count as 1, and ICs must be counted separately.
However per the more specific Deep Strike rules, page 36, a unit which always Deep Strikes does not count, nor do "any models embarked upon" it.

"Here that boys?!"
"Load'm up!"

<herds tactical squad back on to its drop pod>

Sad thing is I actually posted this awhile ago in a thread actually called "Drop Pods and Reserves" (close but not the same), and completely forgot it on the Challenge overflow furry

Lobukia wrote:
How about, No, read the rules... not only do the marines themselves not count towards the 50% not allowed to be in reserves, but any IC with them wouldn't count either, and IF you did need to round, you round up (as stated in the rules)

2 IC, 4 tacticals with 4DPs, = everyone in reserve

2 IC, 4 tacticals with 4Dps, +Assault Marine squad with jumps on = everyone in reserve

All Drop is a go in 6e

The IC only get exempted from the 50% rule if the drop pod is their dedicated transport.

Jump marines are not exempt from the 50% rule because they aren't FORCED to start in reserve, like drop pods are. An Independent character always counts as 1 towards the half your army rule, unless they have their own dedicated transport that must start in reserve.

TraceofToxin, can you provide a page number for this? I can't seem to find it. Page 36 states "When working out how many units can be placed in reserve, units that must be deployed by Deep Strike (along with any models embarked upon them) are ignored. So an IC would not count and can be placed in a Drop Pod without issue.

Traceoftoxin wrote:The IC only get exempted from the 50% rule if the drop pod is their dedicated transport.

Not correct. Check out page 36. If it's a transport which is forced to DS any models riding in it don't count toward the Reserve limit.

Traceoftoxin wrote:Jump marines are not exempt from the 50% rule because they aren't FORCED to start in reserve, like drop pods are.

Correct.

Traceoftoxin wrote:An Independent character always counts as 1 towards the half your army rule, unless they have their own dedicated transport that must start in reserve.

Not correct. You're mixing up two different rules on pages 124 and 36.

Mannahnin wrote:

Traceoftoxin wrote:The IC only get exempted from the 50% rule if the drop pod is their dedicated transport.

Not correct. Check out page 36. If it's a transport which is forced to DS any models riding in it don't count toward the Reserve limit.

Traceoftoxin wrote:Jump marines are not exempt from the 50% rule because they aren't FORCED to start in reserve, like drop pods are.

Correct.

Traceoftoxin wrote:An Independent character always counts as 1 towards the half your army rule, unless they have their own dedicated transport that must start in reserve.

Not correct. You're mixing up two different rules on pages 124 and 36.

Pg. 124, "Independent Characters are also counted as a single unit regardless of whether they have joined another unit or not." Emphasis mine.

Pg. 36 is in reference to joining another unit, pg. 124 tells us that it's irrelevant if they join another unit, they always count.

[edit] I concede you are correct, sir. For some reason I had it in my mind that it said "...are also always...". Drop podding circumvents the restriction, however you cannot use something like fliers to achieve the same result.

Pg. 36 makes no mention of IC joining units. It merely states any units in a transport that must arrive via deep strike are not counted for the reserve total.

I think you should read page 36 and quote the ruling that supports your statement.

Edit: Ninja. You are correct on the flyer statement

Good catch on Pg 36, I didn't see this... that changes everything!

Reading this thread almost gave me a headache.
Anyone care to make a simple summary?

Can an army that looks like this all deepstrike?:

Example 1:

IC + tac + pod
tac + pod
tac + pod
tac + pod


Example 2:

IC + tac + pod
tac + pod
tac + pod
1 terminator squad
1 landspeeder
1 assault marine squad


Example 3:


IC + tac + pod
tac + pod
tac + pod
terminator squad
1 landspeeder
IC + assault marine squad


Example 4:

IC + tac + pod
IC + tac + pod
tac + pod
1 terminator squad
1 landspeeder
1 assault marine squad

Pyriel- wrote:Example 1:
IC + tac + pod
tac + pod
tac + pod
tac + pod

Yes. Since the IC is in the pod and falls under the "any passenger" rule this army list can all DS.

Example 2:
IC + tac + pod
tac + pod
tac + pod
1 terminator squad
1 landspeeder
1 assault marine squad

No. You have 3 units that may DS so you must deploy 1 of them (3/2=1.5 and you always round up so 2 may be in reserve).

Example 3:
IC + tac + pod
tac + pod
tac + pod
terminator squad
1 landspeeder
IC + assault marine squad

Also no. Since the IC is not in a transport that must DS the latter rules on 124 take over and he counts as 1 unit. So you have 4 units that can DS (assuming the IC has a jump pack, if not then he cannot DS and the assault marines must come in by normal reserves) half of them are 2 so only 2 units can DS. If you DS with the IC+AMS then the termies and land speeder must be deployed, etc...

Example 4:
IC + tac + pod
IC + tac + pod
tac + pod
1 terminator squad
1 landspeeder
1 assault marine squad

Same as example 3. Since both IC are in a pod they do not count, and you can keep 2 of the non-pods in reserve.

1: Yes. (everything is in a pod so must deploy from reserves)
2: No. (the 3 pods don't count, so there's 3 units -50% of 3 is 2 units can reserve)
3: No. (same as 2, except 4 units, 50% is 2)
4: No. (same as 2)

Ah, thanks Captain Antivas and rigeld2.

Mannahnin wrote:

Traceoftoxin wrote:The IC only get exempted from the 50% rule if the drop pod is their dedicated transport.

Not correct. Check out page 36. If it's a transport which is forced to DS any models riding in it don't count toward the Reserve limit.

Traceoftoxin wrote:Jump marines are not exempt from the 50% rule because they aren't FORCED to start in reserve, like drop pods are.

Correct.

Traceoftoxin wrote:An Independent character always counts as 1 towards the half your army rule, unless they have their own dedicated transport that must start in reserve.

Not correct. You're mixing up two different rules on pages 124 and 36.

Thanks for this, I didn't realize ICs in pods were exempted. Great!!

RiTides wrote:Thanks for this, I didn't realize ICs in pods were exempted. Great!!

We all have to thank Tactica. He is the one who originally pointed it out. I just ran with it.

Yea that page 36 bit "ANY MODELS EMBARKED IN THEM" really helps answere the question thanks all!

Dooley wrote:Alright I have been playing drop pods for a while now (since 4th BEFORE you actually GOT PODS!) Here is how I figure it. Please forgive me for not being able to provide page #'s but I dont have my book with me!

You've been playing this long and still havcen't learned how to spell reserves?

Lordhat wrote:You've been playing this long and still havcen't learned how to spell reserves?

Irony, thy name is Lordhat.

(psst, it's haven't)

rigeld2 wrote:

Lordhat wrote:You've been playing this long and still havcen't learned how to spell reserves?

Irony, thy name is Lordhat.

(psst, it's haven't)

That's actually more poetic than ironic

What type of Irony would it be? Dramatic, Verbal or Situational? I would have to say Situational.

I was going to make the same observation but thanks for beating me to it. Something about Pots and Kettels comes to mind!

Pointing out spelling errors:
When you simply cannot find any real argument to bring up

Lobukia wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Lordhat wrote:You've been playing this long and still havcen't learned how to spell reserves?

Irony, thy name is Lordhat.

(psst, it's haven't)

That's actually more poetic than ironic

LOL I'm an artist at heart. :-p