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I'm a survivor. I'm also a team player. Water is easy obtain. Food though will be insane to get but there's always a way and mean to get them. One literally have to think outside the box to survive. Why the basement? No escape. Why not the 2nd floor of the house? Chop the stairs out to prevent access to upper floors incase your position goes to piss.

Squigsquasher wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:People are looking at a zombie apocalypse at too small a scale here. Think about it economically. When people hear the dead are rising, they won't care about going to work or buying the latest fad products or that sort of gak. Farmers aren't going to go out and harvest grain when they might stumble into a zombie. Sure, they can probably beat a zombie in a fight, but do they want to take that chance? It'd be easier to just set up fort in their basement and wait it out. What about all those people who maintain phone and powerlines or the Internet? Society as we know it will collapse.

Meanwhile, the zombie problem will never go away. People will always be dying and according to the Romero laws, the dead will always be rising. With society reeling, this will allow the undead to gain numbers. And that's how they're going to win. I imagine large portion of deaths would be due to dehydration, fires, disease and other problems that society used to take care of. Every person that dies will become one of them.

Ah! I nearly forgot about the farmers. We're fine.

My point is, people won't be harvesting new food. Furthermore, with power plants failing, all the refrigerated food will expire. Humanity will be dependent on canned foods and really looters will be stealing them up as fast as humanely possible. And think about water. You can die of dehydration in just two days.

LoneLictor wrote:

My point is, people won't be harvesting new food. Furthermore, with power plants failing, all the refrigerated food will expire. Humanity will be dependent on canned foods and really looters will be stealing them up as fast as humanely possible. And think about water. You can die of dehydration in just two days.

Water can be really easy to get or really hard depending upon where you live. If you have power and live in a humid area a dehumidifier can keep you in all the water you need. But there are numerous ways to collect, filter and purify water, you just find one that works for where you live.

Think outside the box. There are other places to hit up for food then what you are use to and what you know.

Jihadin wrote:Think outside the box. There are other places to hit up for food then what you are use to and what you know.

Yeah. If you were desperate enough, you could cook and eat a zombie. But you'd want to cook it REALLY WELL.

Not that extreme. You have a military armory near you?

Jihadin wrote:Not that extreme. You have a military armory near you?

Unfortunately no.

HAve a REI or a camping store? Mind you majority of people thinking Walmart, Safeway, Foodlion, Giant, or whatever grocery store chain. Think reverse. Distro centers for the food chain store. Potable water easy to obtain by purification tablets as an example. As for food its the calories you need. A MRE can last one to one and half days. You be hungry but not starving. Fortress DakkaDakka with our british contingent who I'm sure will get a ship to cross the pond will be in WA

Jihadin wrote:I'm a survivor. I'm also a team player. Water is easy obtain. Food though will be insane to get but there's always a way and mean to get them. One literally have to think outside the box to survive. Why the basement? No escape. Why not the 2nd floor of the house? Chop the stairs out to prevent access to upper floors incase your position goes to piss.

Well holy gak, as one of my backup plans, I had that exact same plan but for a 2nd story apartment complex not too far from here. I was going to chop out the stairs and use the second floor with multiple outs incase the gak hit the fan. AND its near a stream with a road that runs over it, with one of those big ass coverts that run under the road. So Id have steady water for many things, and if I had to escape I could run down to the stream behind the complex, and disappear that way.

You're basically screwed. In the event that you somehow aren't, check again -- it's probably just lag and you're actually dead. If you do find yourself somehow alive, you'd need at least these things to continue surviving, IMO:

- An in-shape and healthy body(including eyes, for the long-term)
- Very good knowledge of the local area(oft-congested roads to avoid, alternative routes out of the area)
- Some means to defend yourself(ideally a firearm or two, ammo, and maintenance tools for them; an improvised bludgeoning weapon would do to avoid attention)
- Readily available(and portable) food and clean water
- A calm, level head

Those are the basics. If you don't have that, you're probably fethed. Ideally, you'd want these things as well:

- Radio(CB radio, too?)
- Maps or knowledge of surrounding area, for the sake of designating a remote, defensible location to survive in
- A vehicle(not a sedan, something more rugged) with extra fuel(wouldn't last in the long term, but could be very helpful until then)
- First-aid kit and working knowledge of how to treat basic wounds
- Decent clothing for the climate(as well as dependable shoes)

...or alternatively:
- Tons of prostitutes
- Tons of drugs
- A pistol for when the latter two run out

Jihadin wrote:Think outside the box.

Crocket hoops can be pretty sharp. A new way to cause Zombies pain. Zombiepocalypse got you in the middle of a game of crocket? No need to panic. Outside the box enough? Or you could just use the crocket hammer.

sirlynchmob wrote:

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:I'd be good, I live 5 miles away from RAF Brize Norton. Guns, Grenades, Body Armour, Oh My!....


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And can I just say, the amount of people from over the pond who think that we Brits have a Castle in every town is really cute......

I'd never say every town, but you do have some there, and it is possible you live near one. a whole lot nearer to one that I do

While every town is a bit off. I'd say you're never more than 30 miles from some old fortified building in the UK, at least south of the highlands.

Get a nice aluminum baseball bat. Blunt force trauma works on looters as well as zombies.

One of the better weapons would actually probably be a bow or slingshot of sorts. Guns will scare off people, but likely attract them to you. Grenades could be useful but'd be more of an absolute last resort thing. A crowbar would be useful as it doubles as a tool, and would probably see more use as such. The best way to fight them being to mostly avoid them unless absolutely needed of course. Depending on how easy they are to distract, road flares could also be handy. Figure out how to use one with the bow/slingshot and you may have something as effective as a grenade, though more temporary; the added bonus being of course that it won't also make the ones outside of the blast radius suddenly rush you.

Jihadin wrote:Why not the 2nd floor of the house? Chop the stairs out to prevent access to upper floors incase your position goes to piss.

As long as you have a rope ladder or such otherwise it'd go the way of the basement really. Then it depends on how close that house is to neighbouring ones. May have to wreck a few lots of stairs.

Get together with some people the have horses, get some skill with a bow, sword, and any firearms you can scratch up and roam the land like the Golden Horde.
Think of the numbers of people you will attract that are fans of Ghengis Khan, and the terror youwill inspire on the normally, non caring zombies as you swoop down, killing their men and raping their women.
In a short time, the zombies will flee before even the mention of your approach, and will apply for government protection.
At that point, they are totaly in your power.

In a short time, the zombies will flee before even the mention of your approach, and will apply for government protection.
At that point, they are totaly in your power.

Dream Act get passed? I haven't notice

I live in the UK, and unlike America, where firearms are easy to come by, and Japan, with museums and even shops with decent swords (or so I'm told), getting effective zombie-slaying weapons over here is not easy.

Didn't stop the IRA very much, seems like. (NOTICE: I AM NOT ADVOCATING BREAKING THE LAW IN ANY WAY. THIS IS MERELY FOOD FOR THOUGHT.) Look up the history of the Avenger SMG, then think on the implications of that, knowledge of basic machining, and that a blowback firearm will function with ammunition made with home made black powder and the scraped off powder from strike-anywhere matches as a primer compound.

.....Of course in an apocalypse, you'll have plenty of L85* rifles and similar lying about (or hanging from zombies)...whether that's PREFERABLE to a smoothbore garage SMG with hobo-ammo is another debate entirely.

Plan A:
Hijack a cruise ship. They have massive food stores, and the capability to become nearly-impenetrable mobile fortresses. Plan A will require bloodshed, however.

Plan B:
Mountains. Ever try to hike up a mountain? It takes some effort, particularly if you're not following a trail. The uncoordinated undead will not likely be able to complete the trip without breaking their legs or being eaten by bears & mountain lions. I'm fortunate to live in a region where mountains and rivers are both plentiful.

Plan C:
Make armour out of old tires and cut hair into a red mohawk; go looking for people hiding in their cellars.

Wargear(?):
-Fire Axe
-Motorcycle Helmet
-Motorcycle Jacket
-Motorcycle Pants
-Netting (to line in a river for fishing)
-Zippo lighter

The most ideal weapon/tool will be the fire axe. It doubles as a silent & effective killing tool, as well as a pry-bar, and can also be used to chop wood. The weight saved from having to carry three separate tools for these uses will be infinitely valuable. The rest of the gear is for armour, at least insofar as escaping the city. The helmet will not narrow the field of vision, and the rest of the gear can easily be found as either leather or synthetics, both of which a human cannot bite through, and none of which weigh enough to create a burden to wear after even several hours.

Whats the point in a Zombie Apocalypse if you are hiding in mountains/on a cruise ship - you can do that now, no undead required.

No I'm a traditionalist, shopping malls and castles at the order of the day. Guns and ammo are more plentyful here than many Britains imagine, particularly shotguns.

Me I'm think more of a Mad Max approach, a interceptor with suitable spiked ball bars on would do he trick but replace some Aussie muscle car with the biggest Land rover I can lay my hands on or a just use a Cougar from Colchester barracks if they are kind enough to leave keys lying about.

Jihadin wrote:Think outside the box. There are other places to hit up for food then what you are use to and what you know.

The zombies not only think outside of the box, they crawl out of it.
One question here, what good is it to go to the basement or even trying to hide in a brick or concrete building when zombies that are walking around have already proven that they can claw through concrete vaults and six feet of dirt?
Stop a zombie with a chain link fence? They just dug their way out of 6 feet of earth, a spanial can dig under a fence, I don't think a zombie would have much problem.
Mobility is the key here. Stay on the move until patterns of zombie movement may be discerned. Those that castle are doomed, doomed I say!

Also consider the local school. The Elementary, middle, and High School closest to my house all are completely fenced in with tall chain-link fencing. Schools are no longer built with large open windows and the doors are pretty secure to prevent weekend looters and the like. The random dead aren't going to be wandering through and if any decide to climb the fence your patrol (have you already linked up with your local Zombie-Apoc group meeting and made plans?) should be able to get there and put an arrow/spear/length of rebar into him mid-climb. Save the ammo for when you really need it..plus the shot mat attract more dead to your area (like in Walking Dead). School cafeterias contain "institutional food." Food in large quantity containers easy to prepare with basic nutritional value. In Cali our schools are required to keep enough food/water on hand to supply every student for 3 days in the event an emergency (earthquake) seperates the family. 3 days of food for hundreds (if not a thousand) mouths. Plenty for a group of 10-25. In addition most schools have solar PV on the roofs. Coupled with the batteries from all the cars laying about your pretty set on basic electricity for the next 5+ years. Swamp cooler type AC units have the nice by-product of a quart of water per hour that is better than what comes out of your tap. Schools also have large flat grassy areas perfect to use for crops for long term once the cafeteria food is used up. Those crops will also attract plenty of rabbits, squirrels, raccons, etc. If your real lucky your local school already has some rabbits and maybe chickens from the science or 4H groups. Set up pens and coups and let nature take its course. Within a year your going to be sick of rabbit meat and eggs every day.
As a last ditch defense the roofs can be accessed by pull up ladders inside each building used by the maintenance guys.

notprop wrote:Whats the point in a Zombie Apocalypse if you are hiding in mountains/on a cruise ship

Uh... surviving?

Cougar from Colchester barracks if they are kind enough to leave keys lying about.

If it the same type of Cougars used in Afghanistan....no keys....press and hold the button/switch to turn over....make sure you flip the battery switch to "on" though...its near the battery box located behind the driver seat

Given that zombies are a scientific impossiblity (as they are described in popular fiction) then there isn't much point worrying about it.

If you must then fast zombies will eat you eventually, you basically can't outrun them in any number.

Against the traditional slow zombies your first port of call should be a motorbike shop to kit yourself out in a nice biteproof suit of bikers leathers and after that somewhere that sells gardening supplies, or a well stocked garden shed, for a billhook so that you can keep the dearly departed at arms length. Food won't be an issue in the early days but you will want to move to the coast eventually so that you can comfortably subsist on shellfish which are very easy to harvest.

Palindrome wrote:Given that zombies are a scientific impossiblity (as they are described in popular fiction) then there isn't much point worrying about it.

If you must then fast zombies will eat you eventually, you basically can't outrun them in any number.

Against the traditional slow zombies your first port of call should be a motorbike shop to kit yourself out in a nice biteproof suit of bikers leathers and after that somewhere that sells gardening supplies, or a well stocked garden shed, for a billhook so that you can keep the dearly departed at arms length. Food won't be an issue in the early days but you will want to move to the coast eventually so that you can comfortably subsist on shellfish which are very easy to harvest.

THAT argument is ended with 28days later, "zombies" People just use zombies as the general meaning of whatever zombie fits. Otherwise spot on

Chesapeak Bay MD or Puget Sound WA....so two Fortress Dakkadakka

I keep trying to convince the wife to buy a n abandoned missile silo and turn it into our house/fortress of F.U.! but she keeps turning the idea down...........women

Why not an abandon mine complex. Multiple entrances, on hand hardware....first line of defense will be the former mine workers AKA hillbillies

Palindrome wrote:Given that zombies are a scientific impossiblity (as they are described in popular fiction) then there isn't much point worrying about it.

Rabies. I bet you've never seen what happens to something when it's in the late-stages of a Lyssavirus, but there's a reason the myth of werewolves was formed from it.

Beyond that, there are numerous parasites that cause the host-body (usually insects) to become hyper-aggressive towards its own species as a method of replicating and spreading itself. It is not impossible for parasites to adapt to other animals.

PCP also causes feelings of numbness and intoxication (it was originally created as a medical anesthetic) as well as paranoia, hallucinations and uncontrollable rage. These are not common effects and are usually the result of pre-existing aggression problems, but it's still a possibility.

azazel the cat wrote:

Palindrome wrote:Given that zombies are a scientific impossiblity (as they are described in popular fiction) then there isn't much point worrying about it.

Rabies. I bet you've never seen what happens to something when it's in the late-stages of a Lyssavirus, but there's a reason the myth of werewolves was formed from it.

Beyond that, there are numerous parasites that cause the host-body (usually insects) to become hyper-aggressive towards its own species as a method of replicating and spreading itself. It is not impossible for parasites to adapt to other animals.

PCP also causes feelings of numbness and intoxication (it was originally created as a medical anesthetic) as well as paranoia, hallucinations and uncontrollable rage. These are not common effects and are usually the result of pre-existing aggression problems, but it's still a possibility.

As I said the hollywood representation is an impossiblity, 'Zombie' like states can occur but they are nothing like the popular culture concept of a zombie. The 'Rage' virus in 28 days later was a Hollywood maguffin, something like that won't happen in the real world. To be honest the most plausable reason that I have seen in a film is in David Cronenbergs Shivers, basically parasites designed specifically to remove higher brain function, but plausable is a relative term.