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Jihadin wrote:Bit God forgives all right?.....right?

Well if you are of certain "faiths" God forgives all, if you ask someone else to speak to Him on your behalf, and then you are good for the week. You can then go home, do all those drugs, steal from grandma, and stab a guy, so long as on Sunday you ask someone else to ask forgiveness for you, then tell you that you need to repeat meaningless prayers over and over to cover the spiritual cost.

Let's just hope that Jesus doesn't return on Saturday before you've had a chance to clear the ledger for the week.

I doubt I be forgiven I actually broke a major commandment so Matty....save me a seat in Hell for me will ya...I bring da beers

I don't know who's kidnapped the real Frazzled and taken over his Dakka account in this thread, but I have only one thing to say to him...

Keep up the good work Mr. Kidnapper and enjoy a long stay on Dakkadakka.

Wait a minute did someone hack frazzs acount?

Anyway the whole "JC didn't say it so it doesn't apply" is just a rhetorical trick.

Frazz or (Frazz imposter) try reading Mark 10:6-9

Not to mention the fact that the Church is built on JC's teaching's and the teachings of the Apostles, the chief of which was Paul. If you disregard Pauls teachings on the matter (which these Episcopalians are doing) they are not teaching true Christian doctrine..and may as well be a cult.

Anyway this was prophesied in the Bible

2nd Tim 4:3 (NIV) For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


GG

Crass is fairly libertarian. Got a strong conservative streak as well, but he is pro-personal liberty for the most part.

Yep, he may be grounded in his ways and unwilling to change or listen but hes sticks pretty heavily to libertarian or classic conservative values

Wow. This happened like, five years ago.

Guess I'm the only one who finds the internal break of of a few congregations more interesting And that the Archbishop of Canterbury has basically said "meh, w/e" to the whole issue in order to preserve the Angelican communion.

The first presidency of the LDS church issued this family proclamation back in 1995, and everyone was wondering why they felt the need to do so, since what is in the proclamation was quite widely accepted with no questions asked.

http://www.lds.org/family/proclamation/

Frazzled hasn't exactly been opposed to gay marriage.

His opinion is more "I don't honestly care, it doesn't effect me."

But ignoring the fact that the bible has been changed to add in homophobia that wasn't there in the original text, most Christian sects tend to argue that the Old Testament is the old covenant, and that the New Testament a new covenant for Christians. I mean, otherwise they'd outlaw cutting your beard.

George Spiggott wrote:I don't know who's kidnapped the real Frazzled and taken over his Dakka account in this thread, but I have only one thing to say to him...

Keep up the good work Mr. Kidnapper and enjoy a long stay on Dakkadakka.

I think you'll find all your crotchety gun toting crazies are the most tolerant people you'll ever meet...

Frazzled, telling his priest and half the vestry that if they want to bail from the church don't let the door hit them on the ass since January 2012 (they have me for more than two more years heh heh heh)

Frazzled wrote:(they have me for more than two more years heh heh heh)

Frazzled, you would make a great president.

generalgrog wrote:Wait a minute did someone hack frazzs acount?

Anyway the whole "JC didn't say it so it doesn't apply" is just a rhetorical trick.

Frazz or (Frazz imposter) try reading Mark 10:6-9

Not to mention the fact that the Church is built on JC's teaching's and the teachings of the Apostles, the chief of which was Paul. If you disregard Pauls teachings on the matter (which these Episcopalians are doing) they are not teaching true Christian doctrine..and may as well be a cult.

Anyway this was prophesied in the Bible

2nd Tim 4:3 (NIV) For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


GG

Horse gak.if its a cult that only believes what JC says then count me in that cult.
Heh if you disagree fine by you. I don't care. *

*By I don't care I mean the wieners are in transit for your attitude adjustment as we speak.



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LordofHats wrote:Wow. This happened like, five years ago.

Guess I'm the only one who finds the internal break of of a few congregations more interesting And that the Archbishop of Canterbury has basically said "meh, w/e" to the whole issue in order to preserve the Angelican communion.

No this is the real deal. Half the church fell away then. I remember because I told a visiting priest from the Phillipines to stuff it when he said the rest of the countries were looking down on us and we should follow them. America Hurr!


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Melissia wrote:Frazzled hasn't exactly been opposed to gay marriage.

His opinion is more "I don't honestly care, it doesn't effect me."

But ignoring the fact that the bible has been changed to add in homophobia that wasn't there in the original text, most Christian sects tend to argue that the Old Testament is the old covenant, and that the New Testament a new covenant for Christians. I mean, otherwise they'd outlaw cutting your beard.

Thats why you listen to what JC said. JC didn't care. He had bigger matters to deal with.*
*TBone needed to go for his walk. TBone, so old he even the son of God said "damn thats an old dog.What you want me to throw the ball again. Jesus!"



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Melissia wrote:

Frazzled wrote:(they have me for more than two more years heh heh heh)

Frazzled, you would make a great president.

A vote for Frazzled is a vote for Freedom (and life time treats for all wiener dogs).

Aerethan wrote:Well if you are of certain "faiths" God forgives all, if you ask someone else to speak to Him on your behalf, and then you are good for the week. You can then go home, do all those drugs, steal from grandma, and stab a guy, so long as on Sunday you ask someone else to ask forgiveness for you, then tell you that you need to repeat meaningless prayers over and over to cover the spiritual cost.

Let's just hope that Jesus doesn't return on Saturday before you've had a chance to clear the ledger for the week.

According to the Catholic Chuch, you are good to go as long as you get your Last Sacrament before dying. That absolves you of anything and everything (in God's eyes) you've done as long as you request God's forgiveness honestly.

You only go directly to (fictional place) Hell if you die while committing a cardinal sin. You can be sure there's a Gay Village in Heaven, since most homosexuals that would bother about wanting in would be able to. If this wasn't an ancient myth to start with...

Oh and Canadian foreigh relations approves of Future President Frazzled.

I'm not a Catholic but I think there's a concept of atonement involved as well.

Canada eh? I wonder how well Canadian bacon goes with queso.

Melissia wrote:His opinion is more "I don't honestly care, it doesn't effect me."

I find that to generally be the opinion of most people. That or they just want it to be legal so they don't have to hear about the debate anymore (me).

But ignoring the fact that the bible has been changed to add in homophobia that wasn't there in the original text,

I'm just going to say that's all poppycock and leave it at that.

most Christian don't even know the contents of the Old Testament and generally only know the gospels in the New Testament. I mean, otherwise they'd actually stop making silly claims about the Bible..

Fix'd, not directed at you Mel just a general statement about Christians and the Bible. I can fit what they usually know about it in a three page paper (double spaced, size 12 font).

No this is the real deal. Half the church fell away then. I remember because I told a visiting priest from the Phillipines to stuff it when he said the rest of the countries were looking down on us and we should follow them. America Hurr!

It was the real deal five years ago, they've just been going though the process of affirming the new doctrine i.e. paper pushing.

The Bishops election on thematter was last year actually.

Frazzled wrote:
What if God realized his mistake and decided to start over?

Isn't that what all the wiener dogs are for?

Yep. They are the chosen ones after all.

Kovnik Obama wrote:

Melissia wrote:Well if you are of certain "faiths" God forgives all, if you ask someone else to speak to Him on your behalf, and then you are good for the week. You can then go home, do all those drugs, steal from grandma, and stab a guy, so long as on Sunday you ask someone else to ask forgiveness for you, then tell you that you need to repeat meaningless prayers over and over to cover the spiritual cost.

Let's just hope that Jesus doesn't return on Saturday before you've had a chance to clear the ledger for the week.

Wait what? I didn't say that.

Makes me wonder now...if screaming "Allah Ackbar" or "God wills it" instead of "Fething SoB trying to kill me I got something fer that arse" am I closer to God? I do cover my bases though because I let it known to all. If I got opted out I do not care who gives me last rite as long as last rites are giving....off the beaten trail here

Frazzled wrote:I'm not a Catholic but I think there's a concept of atonement involved as well.

Canada eh? I wonder how well Canadian bacon goes with queso.

Have yet to know of anything that doesn't go well with bacon. Look at the Works from New York Fries. Those things shouldn't, couldn't get along, but yet they do!

And the atonement is usually just saying a number of prayers. But that's irrelevant, really, since the priests aren't to judge of the honesty of your repentence (God is). And since it's your Last Sacrament, chances are you won't get time to do anything to prove to us that your repentant.


@Mellisia : Fixed ! Sorry, just a copy/paste error ^^


And you know those alternative arts prints of Jesus talking to giant cats, or historical battles fought on dinosaurs? Now I want to find myself a painting and replace all angels and cherubs with winged weiner dogs...

good job episcopalians.

Thats a fair point Kovnik. Doesn't keep you from being judged on the other side, but then again I'm not #1 on Catholic dogma.

Frazzled on judgement day.
"yea whatever who cares, you can come in, just get this wiener dog away from me. He's made me throw his ball 420,235,221 times already."

TBone, so old he knows what trilobytes taste like.

LordofHats wrote:I'm just going to say that's all poppycock and leave it at that.

Not poppycock. The KJV added in numerous references to witchcraft that weren't there, for example, and changed numerous words for condemnation to "abominable", which wasn't a good translation in most cases. Other examples changed translations of words to condemn acts, or to make them less condemned, added text that wasn't there, or completely and utterly altered the nature of the text.

Fix'd, not directed at you Mel just a general statement about Christians and the Bible. I can fit what they usually know about it in a three page paper (double spaced, size 12 font).

In case you weren't paying attention... and you weren't... I was referring to religious sects.

Not individuals.

Melissia wrote:The KJV added in numerous references to witchcraft that weren't there, for example, and changed numerous words for condemnation to "abominable", which wasn't a good translation in most cases.

That's not KJV, that's the Textus Revisitus, which the KJV is based on and is a generally horrible translation of texts all around. Mostly its only baffling because you'd think the Byzantines would be better than others at translating Greek accurately cause they're NT is just as bad as their OT. Everyone, well, everyone who ever bothered looking it up, knows KJV is a horrible translation. Its only really used in the US these days and only because of cultural traditions from jolly old England.

The validity of the anti-homosexual passages aren't debated. They were debated in the 80's but it was crap then and everyone realized it by the 90's. No one in their right mind calls Romans into question (most of the Pauline Epistles the most stable and accurate of all Biblical texts over time) and Leviticus predates Josiah's reforms, the only major alteration to Old Testament texts.

In case you weren't paying attention... and you weren't... I was referring to religious sects.

Not individuals.

I fail to see the problem. A religious sect is made of individuals who presumably share the same opinions. And actually most sects don't hold that opinion at all, so I don't know where you got that idea. But official doctrine is rarely in line with the general followers of any Christian denomination anyway so it hardly matters.

LordofHats wrote:The validity of the anti-homosexual passages aren't debated.

Actually, they are.

Quite frequently.

In fact, the meanings behind Paul in Romans is still disputed today. The original Greek in Romans didn't even mention sexuality at all, instead referring to Christians who at the time had reverted to paganism, participating in orgiastic rites and drug use (where STDs often spread quite widely).

LordofHats wrote:I fail

I'm aware.

Frazzled wrote:Thats a fair point Kovnik. Doesn't keep you from being judged on the other side, but then again I'm not #1 on Catholic dogma.

To be clear, I'm no Catholic, but was raised as one, in a Catholic private boarding school. The Bible was the only book we were allowed to read at night...

And even the 'judged on the other side' thing is sketchy, since it's also dogma that what's proclaimed by the Church on Earth will be honored in Heavens. Honestly, Catholic metaphysical laws could teach the Imperium about redundant bureaucracy...

I mean, after 27 years on this planet, seems to me that if God is really going to judge everyone on some chart of laws that are pretty much absolutly impossible to perfectly score on, then He is a dick and I do not care to impress Him the slightest. In fact, I'll take His job, I bet I can do it a lot better...

Kovnik Obama wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Thats a fair point Kovnik. Doesn't keep you from being judged on the other side, but then again I'm not #1 on Catholic dogma.

To be clear, I'm no Catholic, but was raised as one, in a Catholic private boarding school. The Bible was the only book we were allowed to read at night...

And even the 'judged on the other side' thing is sketchy, since it's also dogma that what's proclaimed by the Church on Earth will be honored in Heavens. Honestly, Catholic metaphysical laws could teach the Imperium about redundant bureaucracy...

I mean, after 27 years on this planet, seems to me that if God is really going to judge everyone on some chart of laws that are pretty much absolutly impossible to perfectly score on, then He is a dick and I do not care to impress Him the slightest. In fact, I'll take His job, I bet I can do it a lot better...

I was taught that God will make allowances for people that are trying to live as good as they can with the knowledge they have, and gives them opportunities to learn all of his truth on the other side.

I was taught that you better be a good little Christian (of [insert preacher's chosen sect of the month here]), or you'll burn in hell.

Most of my actual knowledge has come from research rather than teachings. Preachers are notorious demagogues and rhetoricians.

Melissia wrote: (...) Preachers are notorious demagogues and sophists.

fixed that for you, but the idea was right.