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marielle wrote:I can't see why people are surprised at this decision. It is the logical outcome for all 'system games' that enter the tournament scene - Mantic have announced a similar thing.

Either you are a rules company - in which case you dont care what figures the players use - or you are a figures manufacturer - in which case you do.

Either way I fail to see why GW have been dragged into the discussion and used as the bogeyman, unless the soul purpose of playing FoW is as a protest against GW.

How long before Warlord try the same thing?

It's not a logical outcome for the Historical sphere of wargames.

In Fantasy/Sci-fi, you can create a race/faction all your own, and be the only ones selling models for it.

If you're for historical wargames, and decide to do any of the more 'popular' eras in history, then chances are you'll easily find other people making miniatures. And if those other miniatures are better/cheaper, then you've got a real problem.

I also think it's pretty obvious why GW was brought into the discussion - it's everything that most wargamers (or, at least, from what I've seen on the historical side) don't want in the companies that they support.

And in that same vein, why bring Warlord into the picture? If anything, their games are even further removed from any sort of 'tournament' scene that GW's games are, and that's saying something.

It might have been a wiser choice to simply limit the NON BF products to 50% of an army list.

Then each year up the % until its at 100%.


At least that way the HC Tournament players dont have to rebuild entire armies.

In the end I believe BF to be making a 100% FAIR call on this. If they are putting on an event, they can dictate the rules.

TO's can still allow anything they want in a tournament.

All BF is saying is that THEIR own personal tournaments are run their way.



I would bet that a huge majoirty of tournaments in FOW land are not even done by FOW itself anyways, so this move isn't going to be effecting a large proportion of players who even play FOW competitively.

My real worry is that this is just the beginning and that BF use their new Ranger program to extend the BF only policy to the non official tournament scene.

Milisim wrote:
TO's can still allow anything they want in a tournament.

All BF is saying is that THEIR own personal tournaments are run their way.

And that makes no sense.

If independent tournies are qualifiers for BF-run nationals and the indy tournie allows non-BF models, what happens if you qualify? You can't go to the nationals.

So either BF has to allow non-BF models at its tournies, make it so indy tournies do not qualify for nationals, or make indy tournies that qualify also BF-only. Those are the only three options available. To claim that this decision has no effect on indy tournies ignores this entirely.

WOW, people what ever happened to the friendly pick up game? Me i am just sick of the whole tournament attitude. It is this Sh@t that hurts the hobby. Immature attitudes. If you do not like something boycott or do not particapate. easy said and done!
Also the 3rd companies is what keeps the games and the companies on their toes.Every company needs competion.to keep the product lines good and strong.

col. krazy kenny wrote:WOW, people what ever happened to the friendly pick up game? Me i am just sick of the whole tournament attitude. It is this Sh@t that hurts the hobby. Immature attitudes. If you do not like something boycott or do not particapate. easy said and done!
Also the 3rd companies is what keeps the games and the companies on their toes.Every company needs competion.to keep the product lines good and strong.

What do you find immature? All I see is reasoned debate over an issue.

As far as a blanket boycott or simply not participating, how does that help anyone?

This thread simply needs to be locked. There is nothing going on here that is not already being talked about in the "had to happen sooner or later" thread.

As far as I can tell, this thread is a duplicate of the other thread complaining about Battlefront.

In order to avoid duplicate threads, please continue the discussion in the first thread.

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