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IF enough Ork's believed something to be true, it will be true. The problem is they are too "simple minded" as you put it, to all think the same thing at once.

IF enough Ork's understood human humor (ie the concept of a clown) and all of them believed it would make people laugh and stop fighting, it would.

If every ork believed that the Necrons did not exist, they would cease


yes but before a battle every ork is convinced they are going to absolutely slaughter the enemy or kill every single marine-boy but this doesnt always happen does it?

 Harriticus wrote:
Waaagh! fields are indeed greatly exaggerated by dakka, especially as the Orks have become somewhat darker and more grounded since their original pure comedy space orcs days.

A Waaagh! field can explain why outrageous and unsafe Ork tech can be barely functional, but if an Ork has a normal fish and points it at an enemy, it wont shoot a laser beam no matter how much he wants it to. Many are under the impression that it will indeed shoot a laser. Ork innate psychic powers can compensate for their more reckless nature and design, but it won't making something from nothing.

its not ONE single ork that can manipulate the waaagh field. its all of them. its a collective. the waaaagh only works when enough of them believe in the same way.

if enough Ork's believe that a fish will shoot a laser beam (for instance, if a warboss see's a laspistol hidden in a fish and so do his boys, and it spreads that the fish can shoot a las shot) then that fish can shoot a las shot in the hands of an ork.

the comedy portion of the orks stems from how incredibly powerful they potentially are, crippled by how ridiculously stupid they are, and how they will never fulfill that potential. its satire.

so stuff that doesn't work because its not safe works for the orks because they're stupid anf they think it does so it does. THAT'S the pun. its what makes it all funny and why the Ork's are such a fin a entertaining army. you can't take them seriously (until you've stupidly charged into a waaaagh with 20 boys with choppa's)

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 DeffDred wrote:
Wow... somehow copy pasta instead of edit round 2....

Ork vehicles are not structurely sound. Their guns cannon be fired by human hands.

Look at the legs of a killa kan or deffdread. They are impossible. My roommate is a mechanical engineer. We had this very conversation lastnight.

Imperial vehicles wouldn't work in real life either. Just look at the Leman Russ ground clearance or Dreadnought legs.

In the 40k universe they work though.

Ork weapons functions in human hands, that's a fact. Yarrick uses an ork power claw and Armageddon Ork Hunters also use ork weapons.

Incorrect it is fashioned to function like ork technology and that is all my friend. His face was smashed by Ghazy's head plate the first time they met with a simple head butt which deformed his face and skull so badly they say he never was quite right after that time. Some theorize that a bit of orky insanity took hold of him that day but no matter what Yarrick has been fighting orks so long he has learned to respect them as much as they respect him and his tenacity to stand up to da biggest boss of dem all.

Yarrick is purely astethic and resembles nothing of orky tech.

As far as Orky tech, why are we having this debate again? For real orks are not primative they just developed differently than all other races they are smart enough to compensate for pyshical deformaties and some orks are built with college educated mechanic level knowledge, and others could classify as PHD's it's just natural in their make up which is akin to genetic memory entries in 3rd ed codex Plus the concept of the creator race of the orks programing them for war.

Ultimately Ork tech is a bit incomprehensible a box of screws and nuts welded to a pipe with a grip and barrle and shook enough WILL FIRE if enough shoota boyz are also firing their guns. Basically when the orks are "in the rhythm" they might not think about reloading but somehow they are still shooting. That is more or less Orky weaponry and how waaagh mixes into it. The problem is too many people have tried to explain what is purely the idea of "junkyard mad science" No one is going to create a logical explaintion THAT IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT ORKS is their paradoxes that confound even the brightest from Adeptus Mechanicus.

A KFF is something so rare and amazing amongst the orks because it's forcefield tech, some say that is how orks breath in roks... all fine little theroys but I would bet once a KFF is in the hands of a space marine his chapter would have no way to make it properly work. It's the law of escalation ALWAYS handled by orks.

meet the orks with bolters... within years they have shootas

Meet the orks with Jump Packers within years they have Storm boyz

Meet the orks with Heavy Bolters they will create big shootaz

Meet the orks with Tanks they will take those tanks!

meet the orks with titans and they will make Stompahz!

Nothing is outside the ork's mind to create persay because they are just built to desire and plunder anything they respect so they can be even more killy during WAAAGH.

So please... please please stop wasting your times elaborating on the concept that Orky tech is paradoxical and unreliable to anyone but other orks who will use it in Fine(ish) precession, speed, power ect.



Also to the orginal question at hand? I think it would be hilarious to see clown Orks but ... well i think even orks wouldn't embrace that many colors it just wouldn't seem Orky. If you ask me their trukks are damn close to clown cars from the get go lol

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
In the 40k RPGs, humans can actually use Ork technology, it is just treated as unreliable or dangerous, something an Ork would not experience.

You're seriously exagerrating the capabilities of the Waaagh! field.

The thing is, it depends on the item in question.

Some basic slugga's and shoota's are potentially usable, however quite a number that have been discovered and studied by the Adeptas Mechanicus have discovered they they literally should not be able to shoot at all, one of the discovered shoota's was really just a bunch of scrap, springs, and bullets inside a metal casing that didn't connect to anything at all, but yet an ork was shooting it not bought days ago without it being tempered with, they gave it to an ork in captivity, and it worked too.

Not to mention you'd never see Major Ork Technology like the Shokk/ZZap/Tellyporta's and the like being used or in any way shape or form being able to be studied and used properly by people.

However what it cannot do is alter reality in a 100% way. It can make things far more EFFECTIVE however. Red paint makes things go far faster than normal, purple makes "Luckier" orks, red for sneaky orks and all that.

Blue is lucky
Red is faster
Purple is sneaky

I think you are all right and wrong. I believe that Waaagh! energy plays a big part in ork belief and tech but I don't think accounts 100% of the time.

I read from the 4th edition Ork Codex, Big Meks pg. 34:

Mekboyz, also known as Mekaniaks or Meks, are Orks with a natural gift for engineering. Meks are responsible for inventing, building and maintaining the machinery and weaponry that the Orks use. They are obsessed with creating ever larger and more devastating war machines to unleash upon the foe.

Mekboys are jovially impresice craftsmen, content to weld, rivet and hammer away at uncompromising chunks of metal debris until they have patched together a chassis, gun barrel or bionic leg. As a result of this individualistic and unplanned approach, Ork technology has evolved in a ramshackle and exploratory way. This suits the Meks just fine, and the more inspired of their creations are jast as deadly as the more aesthetically pleasing weapons created by the Eldar or the Tau.

Remember that Orks were genetically designed to perform specific tasks by the Great Old Ones to combat the Enslavers and Necrons. Meks from birth have a natural understanding of how machinery works. Their creations work but like the quote above says, they're extremely unplanned and poorly thought out, thus making them unreliable but they can still work, even in humans hands though without the Waaagh! energy it won't work as effective like jam, stall, or might even just blow up. However thanks to the Waaagh! the Ork has no problems. But regardless, it is possible for the that creation work in both ork and human hands, just because there is fluff saying the Adeptus Mechanicus found a slugga and it was a box filled with bullets, not all ork weapons are like that.

Example, let's say you have two engineers. One is a human, and is an expert at the top of his field. The other is an Ork Mekboy. The human does what he can to create safe and reliable machine. Making sure he does everything perfectly and making sure there is there nothing that would compromise the machine.

However, the ork is a different story. The Ork creates a trukk, his schematics are simple and but doable, though he is so confident that it would work he would weld over a gastank, bolt a sight to the barrel of a big shoota at the top of the trukk, with bolt going through the barrel and the possibility, if not guarantee that the projectile will hit bolt. It's not that the ork doesn't know what he's doing, just doesn't think about what he's doing. Because thanks to what the Waaaghs! effect on the way an ork believes it works perfectly in his hands, but that doesn't mean it won't work in human hands 100%.

Chances are the adeptus mechanicus found the ork weapons and found that they didn't work was probably made by the boyz themselves because they looked at the boyz next to them and said "I want dat" and probably didn't look for the big mek or didn't have enough teef. I'm not exactly sure if what people say that the slugga an adept found was a bunch of bullets and case, because I'm looking in the 4th codex right now and it says nothing like that. Just the fact that many of the weapons don't work in humans hands. This is on page 10 in the caption at the bottom of the page.

With Waaagh! energy, I'm pretty sure it's as powerful as people say and seeing as how they believe gods into existence. But again, I don't believe orks rely on it 100% of the time.

I probably wrote something inconstant but I'm watching American Psycho as I write this.

Orks aren't able to pull things right out of their ass, they actually do produce weapons and ammunition in their own factories (crewed by slaves and gretchin) so the Boyz have something to shoot with. To a human, Ork technology seem crude and unreliable, but in the hands of an Ork, the weapons prove extremely sturdy and reliable thanks to their shared psychic field "smoothing" out the flaws.