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 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Eliphas versus Abbadon would be a more entertaining match. The chronic backstabbing starscream versus the megatron of Chaos.

Eliphas as Starscream? Now that's insulting. Starscream = pansy. Eliphas = badass mofo whose soul pretty much fought/bartered it's way out of the warp.

Calgar could shot Abbadon to death.

^ That wouldn't be much of a moral fight as Calgar and Abaddon both have pride. Shooting him to death would be sort of a 'lolwut' event as everyone would be confused as the expected epic duel wouldn't happen. They'd go for some CC and duke it out.

I'd nuke them both and call it a day if I had to. Screw your pride and honor, victory is all that matters

I believe it was Fabius Bile that stole Horus' body and tried to make clones of him. Abaddon found out and went to get the body back, I think it is in the old chaos codex somewhere.

Abaddon win 100% of the time. 10,000+ year old second in command to a primarch with primarch wargear who has been leading leagions of Chaos marines in the Eye of Terror and is currently one of the biggest threats to the imperium (barring Tyranids of course) compared to what.. a chapter master? there are 1000s of chapter masters.

Im a wolfie through and through and he would smash Logan Grimnar and even Bjorn.. well in the fluff anyway.

Remember fluff =\= table top

Abbaddon isn't really 10 000 years old you know, time flows differently in the warp, and in several fluff pieces there have been marines who have been in the eye of terror yet only recall a few thousand years worth of actuality. So while to the outside universe he's 10 000 years old, to himself he's probably no more than 4 to 6 millenia if that.

And if we're talking tabletop then Calgar wins pretty much everytime.

Arguably Bjorn could beat Abbaddon fluff wise, he certainly lasted the longest out of all of Magnus' other opponents in Battle for the Fang.

 Eetion wrote:
Abaddon wins every time... With contemptuous ease.

But should they be killed off? No... Abaddon should be the face of the Eye of Terror as Calgar is for Ultramar.
The UM will always need a Chapter Master as Gw will always want an Abaddon to be the 'Face of Chaos' given the threats from the Eye of Terror.

After abbadon messed up loken in the third book iv been dyin to see abbadon get his ass handed to him....

 King Pariah wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Eliphas versus Abbadon would be a more entertaining match. The chronic backstabbing starscream versus the megatron of Chaos.

Eliphas as Starscream? Now that's insulting. Starscream = pansy. Eliphas = badass mofo whose soul pretty much fought/bartered it's way out of the warp.

I mean in the sense that anytime he is in a position to screw someone over, he goes for it. I like to believe that if Eliphas achieves Daemonhood by killing the Ascendant, he is gunning for abaddon next.

As someone said before, there is no a lot off people that can best a genetically enhance superhuman warrior that has a stupidly good gear and 10.000 years of experience in war in a daemon infested hellhole.

Abbadon wins every day.

 King Pariah wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Eliphas versus Abbadon would be a more entertaining match. The chronic backstabbing starscream versus the megatron of Chaos.

Eliphas as Starscream? Now that's insulting. Starscream = pansy. Eliphas = badass mofo whose soul pretty much fought/bartered it's way out of the warp.

Really? He's literally lost pretty much every engagement he's ever had against the Blood Ravens. He's a cool character but he's pretty damn incompetent.

Eldrad beat Abaddon. Eldrad was useless against Fulgrim, and had to rely on his pet Avatar of Khaine to fight him. Calgar punched an Avatar of Khaine in half.

Marneus Calgar>Avatar of Khaine>Eldrad>Abaddon

My logic is undeniable.

I think that when confronted by the majesty of Calgar, Abaddon would reacty as all Space Marines do.

He'd bow down onto his knees and begin sobbing, weeping uncontrollably and lamenting that he could not himself be an Ultramarine. Perhaps Calgar would place a paternal hand upon his shoulder and assure him that he could at least be a crude imitation of one; newly inspired, Abaddon would rise a redeemed man and Champion of his new Spiritual Liege.

 Henners91 wrote:
I think that when confronted by the majesty of Calgar, Abaddon would reacty as all Space Marines do.

He'd bow down onto his knees and begin sobbing, weeping uncontrollably and lamenting that he could not himself be an Ultramarine. Perhaps Calgar would place a paternal hand upon his shoulder and assure him that he could at least be a crude imitation of one; newly inspired, Abaddon would rise a redeemed man and Champion of his new Spiritual Liege.

Exalt + 1

 Henners91 wrote:
I think that when confronted by the majesty of Calgar, Abaddon would reacty as all Space Marines do.

He'd bow down onto his knees and begin sobbing, weeping uncontrollably and lamenting that he could not himself be an Ultramarine. Perhaps Calgar would place a paternal hand upon his shoulder and assure him that he could at least be a crude imitation of one; newly inspired, Abaddon would rise a redeemed man and Champion of his new Spiritual Liege.

This guy knows what's up.

BlaxicanX wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
Eliphas versus Abbadon would be a more entertaining match. The chronic backstabbing starscream versus the megatron of Chaos.

Eliphas as Starscream? Now that's insulting. Starscream = pansy. Eliphas = badass mofo whose soul pretty much fought/bartered it's way out of the warp.

Really? He's literally lost pretty much every engagement he's ever had against the Blood Ravens. He's a cool character but he's pretty damn incompetent.

THIS. Common consensus seems to be Abbadon Curb stomping the smurf so hard, archaeologists would have to locate the body but due to 40K policy of nothing progressing, both Eliphas and Abbadon, and by extension just about any major bad guy in 40K must be stopped despite how it makes little sense and is in some cases statistically impossible for them to loose.

It would be nice to see one of the bad guys pull our a major win, which hopefully with GW's new policy of forging a narrative, might happen.


Oh, and OP, Abbadon, so much Abbadon, on pretty much every level, from tactical to martial. Abbadon wins.

abadon would break calgar he is the epitome pf chaos on a side note lucius could possibly take abadon he is the same age as abadon fought in the heresy has his own daemon wepon and has focused solely on on melee fighting for 10,000 years plus if abadon kills him odds are he will celebrate and we know what that means

fluff wise in a straight up fight abbadon, but we are talking calgar here so hed use the ultramarine gene think about it for a few seconds then bring a company or 2 to the party, which results in the primarch wanbe turning into a very dercative cheese grater

Abbadon would stomp Calgar, just like he did to all the loyalist heroes in the Horus Heresy novels. At his strength after horus dies he could probably take down most of the loyalist primarchs. The only regular marine (primarchs aside) I could see having a chance is Sigismund, given that there is no confirmed death for him and he could still be alive. Plus the emperor is with him and the emperor has been fighting chaos for 10k+ years so that could balance out abbadon's advantage.

UNREALPwnage wrote:
At his strength after horus dies he could probably take down most of the loyalist primarchs. .

Most primarchs should be able to make Abaddon cry like a little girl.

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
abadon would break calgar he is the epitome pf chaos on a side note lucius could possibly take abadon he is the same age as abadon fought in the heresy has his own daemon wepon and has focused solely on on melee fighting for 10,000 years plus if abadon kills him odds are he will celebrate and we know what that means

Abbadon vs Lucius would go like this http://youtu.be/3kDWerFF7I0

If any of your have half a clue maybe just Google warhammer 40k read anything for like a minute and you'll know that Abaddon could beat Calgar with a head butt. In fact before eating Calgar alive, he would first KILL LOGAN GRIMNAR DARTHMARKO , then come back to Calgar tear off his 'epic' gauntlets rip out Calgar's dead hands, fill the gauntlets with Logan's favorite booze and have a drink with the handless Calgar. Discuss how much he hates space wolf fan boys and then proceed to eat him alive. WOLF STYLE!

On the table top Calgar never, not ever, not even comes close, to beating Abaddon, stop kidding yourselves.

This is how it would go down.

- Calgar and Mephiston board Abbadon's flagship, aiming to slay him in single combat
- Somehow they get scattered
- Mephiston appears before Abbadon, who offers him riches and power to denounce the Emperor
- Mephiston refuses and attacks
- Abbadon slays him and is standing over his body as Calgar enters the room.
- Calgar and Abbadon fight a monumental battle that would have slayed lesser men a dozen times over.
- Calgar held back for most of the battle, not wishing to kill the man that was once his battle brother.
- This allows Abbadon to strike a mortal blow
- A lone (and lost) Guardsman enters the room by mistake. Abbadon kills him with a stern look.
- In this moment Calgar realizes how evil Abaddon has become and uses the distraction to land a killing blow.
- Calgar punches Abaddon SO HARD he knocks the Chaos right out of him.
- In the final moments Calgar senses Abaddon's return to sanity and embraces him.
- They die in each others arms.


TL;DR
- Calgar punches Abaddon SO HARD he knocks the Chaos right out of him.

as had been said, Lucius wins all, even without his "if i lose i still win". He was the best swordsman back in the Heresy, 10k years later who knows what he could do.

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
as had been said, Lucius wins all, even without his "if i lose i still win". He was the best swordsman back in the Heresy, 10k years later who knows what he could do.

All well and good till he is eaten by tyranids or killed by necrons

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
as had been said, Lucius wins all, even without his "if i lose i still win". He was the best swordsman back in the Heresy, 10k years later who knows what he could do.

Yet Loken,Tarvitz and random captain from EC manage to beat him - let's not forget Sigismund and Sevatar...

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
as had been said, Lucius wins all, even without his "if i lose i still win". He was the best swordsman back in the Heresy, 10k years later who knows what he could do.

Lucius was the best swordsman of the Emperor's Children, not necessarily in every Legion.

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
as had been said, Lucius wins all, even without his "if i lose i still win". He was the best swordsman back in the Heresy, 10k years later who knows what he could do.

Lucius was a good swordsman, but that's not the same as being the best fighter. His pride led to him being beaten by opponents he should have defeated. Besides, if Abaddon beat him, his own deal with Slaanesh would probably give him a loophole out of the possession thing.

MarkyMark wrote:

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
as had been said, Lucius wins all, even without his "if i lose i still win". He was the best swordsman back in the Heresy, 10k years later who knows what he could do.

All well and good till he is eaten by tyranids or killed by necrons

Truly, I'd never thought of that. Nice call!

Calgar is one of if not the strongest living mortal, that being said, Abbadon is a chaos champion of unbelievable power, Abbadon wins.

 Durza wrote:

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
as had been said, Lucius wins all, even without his "if i lose i still win". He was the best swordsman back in the Heresy, 10k years later who knows what he could do.

Lucius was a good swordsman, but that's not the same as being the best fighter. His pride led to him being beaten by opponents he should have defeated. Besides, if Abaddon beat him, his own deal with Slaanesh would probably give him a loophole out of the possession thing.

Yeah, Abaddon is the favored mortal servant of Chaos.

I doubt Slaanesh would give him up for Lucius's sake, and the other Chaos Gods likely wouldn't let him anyway.