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Lifta-Wagon is your friend vs Tanks

 RedizDead wrote:
Lifta-Wagon is your friend vs Tanks

Considering that FW rules aren't accepted in 40k games more often than not, the recent nerf to the lifta-droppa (misses half the time), and that you would have to take ork dreadmob allies(or an entire ork dread mob army) to field it in the first place, not an option.

@Agent_Tremolo

Wow thanks for fixing that!

are there any other ork army lists that would do better against this ig list?

 Jidmah wrote:

 RedizDead wrote:
Lifta-Wagon is your friend vs Tanks

Considering that FW rules aren't accepted in 40k games more often than not, the recent nerf to the lifta-droppa (misses half the time), and that you would have to take ork dreadmob allies(or an entire ork dread mob army) to field it in the first place, not an option.

Agreed. When ever the short answer would be something from FW, you can pretty much just discount it as a good counter

chobarba wrote:are there any other ork army lists that would do better against this ig list?

So (once again disclaiming that I am a guard player, not an ork player), your opponent is very, very vulnerable to assault. Lots and lots of vehicles, and only one serious CC unit.

Roughly one person brought up koptaz, but I think I'd like to reiterate this, but in the buzz-saw capacity. Koptaz are still very fast, and all you've got to do is touch any of his vehicles, and they'll instantly explode.

On a similar note, with the exception of a single vendetta, your opponent's anti-AV14 is severely lacking. You know what only costs 90 points? A battlewagon. Say hello to 4 hull points and a deffrolla. D6 S10 hits are going to be tough for even AV14 to handle.

On top of that, battlewagons can do other really mean stuff as well, like use a wrecking ball, or being full of AV14 lootaz, or having a few klaw nobs with boarding planks.

CC may have gotten worse in general in 6th ed, but with nothing but straken having any close combat power, and with having vehicles that are SO easy to krump in CC, I think you might be well-served with a bit more close-in action.

I kind of agree with Ailaros here, battlewagon have always worked well against IG for me, especially since many of those melta-chimeras have been turning into plasma-chimaras lately.

You should skip on the wrecking ball though, it way overcosted for what it does, planks and/or grabbin klaws are much better for half the points.

Also note that IG overwatch fire becomes a lot less scary if your shoota boyz open fire on them before the charge.

 Jidmah wrote:

 RedizDead wrote:
Lifta-Wagon is your friend vs Tanks

Considering that FW rules aren't accepted in 40k games more often than not, the recent nerf to the lifta-droppa (misses half the time), and that you would have to take ork dreadmob allies(or an entire ork dread mob army) to field it in the first place, not an option.

Mh ok, I was not aware of the nerf... where shall I find it?

Back to regular 40k, I would advise Big Gunz, Dakkajets, Lootas and Deffrolla vs IG.
Maybe a kamikaze-TLrokkit-Buggies-unit, rushing and trying to fire at least 1 turn on side armor of the most dangerous tank your opponent may have. And if your opponent feels the danger, he will spend some shots on them, instead of something else.
A Big Mek with KFF is gold vs IG, and I think a Big Mek with SAG among your Lootas could be efficient.

In the past we had Kommandos, but with the v6, they unfortunately lost a lot :( They were doing great, coming from nowhere, and Nob-PKing rear armors! /nostalgic

The newest rules for the lifta droppa can be found in this book:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL-ARMOUR-APOCALYPSE-SECOND-EDITION.html

 Jidmah wrote:
I kind of agree with Ailaros here, battlewagon have always worked well against IG for me, especially since many of those melta-chimeras have been turning into plasma-chimaras lately.

You should skip on the wrecking ball though, it way overcosted for what it does, planks and/or grabbin klaws are much better for half the points.

Also note that IG overwatch fire becomes a lot less scary if your shoota boyz open fire on them before the charge.

I suggest doing that to anything first, not just IG, though they are weak and have bad saves, so they REALLY feel it. But mass shootas can bring the pain on damn near everything, even upto light armor.

Ok, I'll try the Bw spam for our next game. I'll write up a battle report (with pictures) and i'll see what else y'all think i should tweak in terms of my list. but you guys dont think that the manticore would destroy the battle wagons? i see that as a primary theat to any army with vehicles.

Well... Manticore can be a pain, but it is not very resistant. Rokkits on side and KFF will be VERY helpful in that case!
Depending on how you deploy, I give that Manticore only 1 turn. Even a Dakkajet can shred it into piece.

To be fair, the DAKKAjet can shred many things into pieces


But sadly, our group only has 1 IG player, but Ive NEVER played against the guy because he seems to have more excuses about not showing up then anything. I honestly dont even know what the fudge the guy has as far as an army, I just know he plays IG now. I played him a good 5 or 6 times last year when he played Chaos, but that doesnt help. So as far as playing against IG, I really only know what I read on here Which to me is a bit scary, because reading about how to deal with them, and actually learning through playing are totally different

Well, KingCracker, they pretty much get the same amount of shots as orks do... but they have a bs of 3+ and their vehicles have more firepower. The vehicle that's been causing me alot of problems is the manticore. which fires storm eagle rockets: str 10 ap 4 d3 large blasts

Yea I have their codex, and know how badass manticores can be

Yeah, and I don't know what orks can do against manticores, really. They can stay out of LOS (so, no lootaz), they have up to 3 large blasts per turn (so no boyz), and they are S10 (so no battlewagons, nobz, or bikes).

Honestly, that's probably the cheesiest unit to use against orks. I don't know how I'd beat them were I an ork player facing them. Well, outside of dakkajets, but I can imagine that there must be some ork players out there too who are a bit apprehensive about reaching for a flier the moment that something difficult comes along.

Deff koptas I think would be a good idea, that or Wazdakka if you run a biker list. Those are two units that can get in the IG player's face very quickly and have weapons that can easily glance/pen the AV12/10 that a manticore has. By being quick, it will be hard to truly hide the manticore unless he can literally surround it in russes.

 Ailaros wrote:
Yeah, and I don't know what orks can do against manticores, really. They can stay out of LOS (so, no lootaz), they have up to 3 large blasts per turn (so no boyz), and they are S10 (so no battlewagons, nobz, or bikes).

Honestly, that's probably the cheesiest unit to use against orks. I don't know how I'd beat them were I an ork player facing them. Well, outside of dakkajets, but I can imagine that there must be some ork players out there too who are a bit apprehensive about reaching for a flier the moment that something difficult comes along.

Meh, it's still just one vehicle. I have faced up to three of them, and they still roll ones for their number of blasts, and/or scatter off target. It still dies to lootaz, buggies and koptaz, and it also can't shoot anything outside of 36" when night falls. If it hits a battlewagon, it still has a 33% chance to not penetrate, and a penetration hit has a 50% chance of not hurting the battlewagon due to AP4. The KFF works against it just like it does against any other blast, and it will never, ever shoot more than four times. It kills a lot of orks, and definitely a high priority target, but so are hellhounds. And I bet a non-trivial amount of people would need to look at the IG codex to find out what a hellhound is. Actually, I'm less worried about manticores then when I see a full squadron of those across the table. Or Basilisks. Or LRBTs.

Yup, and to further prove that Stormboyz are a 1 hit wonder. Take Zaggy, and DS his unit and then assault the Manticore ASAP. That would pop that tank with ease.