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So would you say that they "count as" official?

Sorry, with the whole thing about count as =?= is, I couldn't help myself.

I am glad that Forge World says they are 'official'. Bully for them. But Forge World is *not* the division in charge of creating and publishing the official rules for 40K. That is the purview of the '40K' division.

This "40K approved" tag has been around awhile; before 6th edition.
6th Edition saw the introduction of a 400+ page rulebook, and yet they never once mention even a single sentence saying that Forge World models are 'official' for 40K.

Every month White Dwarf comes out, and it sometimes has official 40K content.
Yet not once has it included even a single sentence saying that FW models and rules are 'official' for 40K.

GW does not host many tourneys anymore, but they do host some; particularly iin the UK. And they don't allow FW models in the 40K tourney.


When the '40K Division' says they are part of the game, then they are part of the game. Until then, they are something that the 'FW division' thinks are workable with the rest of the official models and rrules.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
And to this I say: What about the dakkajet? What about Sisters of Battle? Nightspinner? All of these units and more have been introduced via White Dwarf, another publication from Games Workshop that states the models are sanctioned for standard games of 40K and belong to a specific codex. Who are you (or anyone who's not a part of GW) to tell us which units we can and cannot use as 'legal' models? I say they fall all under the GW umbrella which makes them fair GAME to PLAY with.

Let's compare apples and puppies shall we? We have White Dwarf articles that specifically say they are offical add ons to the existing codex, and then we have Forge World which specifically says they are "considered" official, but you really should get your opponent's permission before you use them in the game.

How are these even the same thing? Answer: They are not. I am not telling anyone what is legal and what isn't. I am merely using my brain and my understanding of the English language to point out rather clearly that:

Official <> "Considered" official, but needs opponent permission to be used in a battle.

I can show up with my orks and their dakkajet and expect, without a doubt, to play with them without issue because they are from an official codex and include an official codex upgrade from White Dwarf. If I also bring along my squiggoth, I know that I might come upon an opponent who would rather me not include it in the game because it is Forge World. THAT is the crux of the difference here.

They are saying "similar" things, but are not exactly the same. It is not being nit-picky to point this out since Forge World and GW were specific enough to include this verbage for a reason.

Skriker

You cannot have an ambiguous statement like they have placed in the forge world books. It doesn’t matter what you believe it says because someone else will believe it otherwise. I hear the terms “read as written” and “read as intended”, but these things actually tend to be “Read as you want it to be”, and no one will convince otherwise.

When you play a game you are using the rules in an attempt to win a battle against your opponent, some choose to use a rule that disallows part of their opponents model collection. It’s not wrong; it’s just something GW needs to address directly.

The biggest problem, with their ambiguous stance on Forge world, is the expectation of the Forge world player to be polite and take the opponents feelings into consideration. That expectation tends to get the Forge world players kicked in the nuts and leads to hard feelings.

The term friendly game is a hope and all too often a dashed hope. Many times it is players that do not like one another that face off in a tournament. In those situations your opponent would blindly sanction any rule interpretation that would prevent you from using models manufactured before the year 2000 in your army. GW needs to take this into consideration before making a rule contingent upon polite interaction between players.