Flyer Phobia

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**Sigvatr**

Some flyers are ridiculously overpowered now and that's mainly:

The Nightscythe as it's cheap, has a good gun and allows for huge transporting distances

and

The Holy-Batpoo-what-the-hell-were-they-THINKING Vendetta that's overpowered beyond hope due to it's extremely low price.

So...phobia? No. It's a fully rational reaction to overpowered units. Don't go to a tournament without an ADL.

**Loricatus Aurora**

Peregrine wrote:
Ascalam wrote:
IA aren't the standard rules for 40K.

Yes they are. GW has made it explicit that FW rules are part of standard 40k. It's very simple:

People who can read and want to play the standard game will see the very clear statement that FW is part of the game and allow FW units just like they allow Ork units.

People who can read and want to play a different game will see the very clear statement that FW is part of the game and add a house rule that FW units are banned, just like they include a house rule that double FOC is banned/limit allies to fluffy combinations/etc.

People who can't stand the thought of admitting that their house rule is a house rule will continue to invent all sorts of desperate rationalizations for how the plain and simple "it's part of the game" doesn't really mean that they're part of the game, therefore their house rule isn't a house rule.

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CKO wrote:
You should not make a scene at your local gaming store just because forge world is not allowed.

I'm not going to make a scene, I'm simply not going to participate in any event that doesn't allow FW units (even if I wouldn't be playing with mine for whatever reason), and I'm not going to play against anyone who refuses to allow them.

If there is a rule dispute at a tournament with a forge world model you cant look to GW for an faq, the decision that the store owner makes will make 1 of his 2 customers unhappy, so why open up that can of worms?

Then you consult the appropriate FW FAQ.

And it's not like GW's FAQs cover every possible situation where there could be a rule dispute, so "making a customer unhappy" is just the risk you take by running a tournament.

Peregrine you are not discussing, you are ranting.

People who can read? You are implying anyone who does not share your view is illiterate. Thats a heavy approach if you are signalling an open mind and willingness to hear a different point of view.

**undertow**

Peregrine wrote:
CKO wrote:
You should not make a scene at your local gaming store just because forge world is not allowed.

I'm not going to make a scene, I'm simply not going to participate in any event that doesn't allow FW units (even if I wouldn't be playing with mine for whatever reason), and I'm not going to play against anyone who refuses to allow them.

In my area, the only frequent tournaments I know of are run at the local GW bunker, and FW units are disallowed in all tournaments. Later in 5th Ed they could be used, but once 6th came out they were banned for a bit.

**Monster Rain**

Tournaments that allow IA have been an exception in my experience as well.

I assume that all of those TOs can read.

**undertow**

CKO wrote:
Your analysis on that forge world flyer is good, also major payne did a great job explaning how he deals with flyers with his nids, same can be said for ascalam and his orks. I wonder what the best options for some of the other armies are?

I play Daemons, and I bring what I brought in 5th, winged Daemon Princes of Tzeentch, Fateweaver and a Bloodthirster. That gives me a few S:8 AP:1 skyfire shots per turn if I need them, as well as Vector Strike (only semi-reliable, and only on the 'Thirster).