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Relapse wrote: Gotta hand it to him, he is tough. I hope he doesn't try to play this out too long, though, because you can only take so many kicks and punches to the head before something gives.
eh... it isn't any worst the playing football or hockey.
If you fight... you learn how to take a hit and learn how to fall a certain way to mitigate the full force.
That's exactly the incorrect statement someone who practiced a sport that is based around single-hit points and breakfalls.
Tae Kwon Do is what you get your kids to study when you want to drop them off somewhere for an hour and don't want them to get hurt. Don't equate that to football or hockey, two sports that are nearly synonymous with concussions.
Say what? I guess you've never actually trained.... go figures.
You can absolutely get injured sparring. o.O
Sparring injuries are accidental; which is significantly different. And Tae Kwon Do competitions, like Karate, are geared towards not hurting your opponent. That's why the match is stopped and the competitors are separated as soon as someone makes contact.
I've trained in boxing, Hung Gar & Arnis, and recently taken up Judo.
I'm personally just waiting for this whole MMA fad to blow over.
I understand wanting to learn how to defend yourself, but the reality is just a lot more dbags in TapOut shirts looking for fights in a bar, at least as far as my experience goes.
plastictrees wrote: I'm sure the toughest kid in the world is probably living in conditions that we wouldn't subject animals to and collecting garbage to feed his/her family. The toughest kid in the world probably isn't a carefully coached and managed athlete.
This. The kid is clearly a very talented athlete and skilled fighter; but there are a lot of children out there who endure and survive things that this kid will hopefully be fortunate enough never to experience.
And yeah, I enjoy watching boxing, but kids in concussion-prone sports is a tricky area.
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DutchKillsRambo wrote:I'm personally just waiting for this whole MMA fad to blow over.
I understand wanting to learn how to defend yourself, but the reality is just a lot more dbags in TapOut shirts looking for fights in a bar, at least as far as my experience goes.
Those Tapout shirts usually fail to protect them. I present to you: Cheeseburger Josh
The "official Joe G response" video was pretty funny too.
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Relapse wrote: Gotta hand it to him, he is tough. I hope he doesn't try to play this out too long, though, because you can only take so many kicks and punches to the head before something gives.
True, but who cares?
Old age isn't necessarily all its cracked up to be.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Ahtman wrote: ILet's also not forget those idiots that join the military, fire dept., or law enforcement. Don't they know they could be injured and should do something else? For shame.
None of those professions allow a minor child to enlist.
My gut instinct is to say he's too young, but I knew feth-all about MMA so don't know what kind of protective gear they wear and so on. Assuming it's like boxing though, too young IMO. But maybe it's more like karate, with less head blows? In which case seems OK to me.
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Ahtman wrote: ILet's also not forget those idiots that join the military, fire dept., or law enforcement. Don't they know they could be injured and should do something else? For shame.
None of those professions allow a minor child to enlist.
JROTC
Besides, the argument being referred to wasn't one of age, but that anything that is physically demanding that might cause harm should be avoided. You can be injured in boot camp, but that doesn't mean I would tell people not to join the service if they wanted to.
Certainly there is some room to debate what the right age is to start getting involved in such activities. It was also stated int he video that if things looked like they were getting to close to causing injury they stop the fights. Even so, what he has been able to accomplish at such a young age is quite impressive.
As for some other kid being tougher, 'tough' obliviously in context sensitive. Surviving on little food is a different skill set then being able to succeed in the world of competitive martial arts. In this instance, since the subject is the latter it makes sense realize that we aren't comparing him to adults or a survival/sustenance existence.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
The funniest thing about Tapout t-shirts is that the fat feths who typically wear them would likely 'tap out' if they had to take the stairs instead of an elevator.
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Albatross wrote: The funniest thing about Tapout t-shirts is that the fat feths who typically wear them would likely 'tap out' if they had to take the stairs instead of an elevator.
Just wearing the shirt doesn't make you an instant bad ass? The marketing people lied!
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: ILet's also not forget those idiots that join the military, fire dept., or law enforcement. Don't they know they could be injured and should do something else? For shame.
None of those professions allow a minor child to enlist.
My gut instinct is to say he's too young, but I knew feth-all about MMA so don't know what kind of protective gear they wear and so on. Assuming it's like boxing though, too young IMO. But maybe it's more like karate, with less head blows? In which case seems OK to me.
MMA has considerably less concussions than boxing because MMA gloves do not blunt the impact as much, nor cover as much area as a shield; so punches are more likely to sneak though a defensive shell in MMA than they are in boxing, and they will cause far more concentrated impact, and thus knock you out in few shots. Fewer shots to the head = less likely to suffer a concussion. Additionally, there are many ways to win in MMA due to the grappling & submission element, not to mention elbows that can cut much easier, whereas Boxing really only has knockouts and decisions. So while MMA has far more injuries overall, most are "minor" things that heal quite well, whereas Boxing generally just has concussions that are synonymous with it.
As an interesting note, Boxing's troubles regarding head injuries came about due to the Marquess of Queensberry's rules, which introduced boxing gloves to the sport in an effort to "civilize" (read: prevent cuts from bareknuckle blows) it. However, it is because of the gloves that cause fighters to be required to essentially tenderize each other's brains before any stoppage occurs.
I think anyhting that involves too much physical conditioning should not be encouraged with children. It can have adverse effects on his physical, not to mention mental, development.
OT/ I remember watching on that QI thing that boxing gloves were more lethal simply because they protected the hand. According to Stephen Fry or whatever Your Fist cannot crack a skull or even jawbone before it breaks itself.
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Perkustin wrote: I think anyhting that involves too much physical conditioning should not be encouraged with children. It can have adverse effects on his physical, not to mention mental, development.
OT/ I remember watching on that QI thing that boxing gloves were more lethal simply because they protected the hand. According to Stephen Fry or whatever Your Fist cannot crack a skull or even jawbone before it breaks itself.
No... your fist can break jawbones... I've seen it.
Skull? I'm not sure, but I wouldn't bet against that.
Perkustin wrote:I think anyhting that involves too much physical conditioning should not be encouraged with children. It can have adverse effects on his physical, not to mention mental, development.
OT/ I remember watching on that QI thing that boxing gloves were more lethal simply because they protected the hand. According to Stephen Fry or whatever Your Fist cannot crack a skull or even jawbone before it breaks itself.
No, your fist most definitely can break a nose, jaw or even crack an orbital without significant self-injury. However, punching the forehead/crown is like punching a stone wall, and should be avoided; and in a fight one's striking is very unlikely to be accurate enough to avoid injuring one's hands in such a fashion.
I highly recommend martial arts for kids. The dedication, focus and physical conditioning they teach are all pure positives for developing kids. It's just the abuse & serious injury that you want to avoid. This is why Karate & Taw Kwon Do are so popular at rec centers; they are almost-no-contact sports that still have all of the other great elements of martial arts. They're just nearly useless in any kind of practical self-defense situation. And for parents who don't want to teach their kids to fight, yet still want good mental and physical health, they work perfectly. Hell, Kung Fu fits that bill nicely, too, just so long as you remove the Sanshou element.
Perkustin wrote:I think anyhting that involves too much physical conditioning should not be encouraged with children. It can have adverse effects on his physical, not to mention mental, development.
OT/ I remember watching on that QI thing that boxing gloves were more lethal simply because they protected the hand. According to Stephen Fry or whatever Your Fist cannot crack a skull or even jawbone before it breaks itself.
No, your fist most definitely can break a nose, jaw or even crack an orbital without significant self-injury. However, punching the forehead/crown is like punching a stone wall, and should be avoided; and in a fight one's striking is very unlikely to be accurate enough to avoid injuring one's hands in such a fashion.
I highly recommend martial arts for kids. The dedication, focus and physical conditioning they teach are all pure positives for developing kids. It's just the abuse & serious injury that you want to avoid. This is why Karate & Taw Kwon Do are so popular at rec centers; they are almost-no-contact sports that still have all of the other great elements of martial arts. They're just nearly useless in any kind of practical self-defense situation. And for parents who don't want to teach their kids to fight, yet still want good mental and physical health, they work perfectly. Hell, Kung Fu fits that bill nicely, too, just so long as you remove the Sanshou element.
Hey man...
I have a 7yo and 10yo... what would you recommend?
I want them to learn the dedication, focus and physical conditioning... and I also want them to really learn how to defend themselves.
I had an old school Karate instructor where we simulated self-defense scenarios... but, those are hard to find now...
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Albatross wrote: The funniest thing about Tapout t-shirts is that the fat feths who typically wear them would likely 'tap out' if they had to take the stairs instead of an elevator.
Just wearing the shirt doesn't make you an instant bad ass? The marketing people lied!
Yeah, you have to be holding a can of Relentless in order to get the full 'badass' effect.
Perkustin wrote:I think anyhting that involves too much physical conditioning should not be encouraged with children. It can have adverse effects on his physical, not to mention mental, development.
OT/ I remember watching on that QI thing that boxing gloves were more lethal simply because they protected the hand. According to Stephen Fry or whatever Your Fist cannot crack a skull or even jawbone before it breaks itself.
No, your fist most definitely can break a nose, jaw or even crack an orbital without significant self-injury. However, punching the forehead/crown is like punching a stone wall, and should be avoided; and in a fight one's striking is very unlikely to be accurate enough to avoid injuring one's hands in such a fashion.
I highly recommend martial arts for kids. The dedication, focus and physical conditioning they teach are all pure positives for developing kids. It's just the abuse & serious injury that you want to avoid. This is why Karate & Taw Kwon Do are so popular at rec centers; they are almost-no-contact sports that still have all of the other great elements of martial arts. They're just nearly useless in any kind of practical self-defense situation. And for parents who don't want to teach their kids to fight, yet still want good mental and physical health, they work perfectly. Hell, Kung Fu fits that bill nicely, too, just so long as you remove the Sanshou element.
Hey man...
I have a 7yo and 10yo... what would you recommend?
I want them to learn the dedication, focus and physical conditioning... and I also want them to really learn how to defend themselves.
I had an old school Karate instructor where we simulated self-defense scenarios... but, those are hard to find now...
This list is by no means definitive, but it covers the well-known ones.
Krav Maga is the best single-form martial art for self-defense, buts its focus is entirely functional; it is purely a combat art.
Tae Kwon Do is about as useful for self-defense as Tae Bo, but it's a great fitness regime.
Karate is slightly better for self-defense than Tae Kwon Do, but in the same category.
Traditional Kung Fu is typically going to be in the same group as Karate or Tae Kwon Do, but it's more fun because it is a 'soft' style, and therefore not as rigid and boring. The inclusion on Sanshou into Kung Fu can essentially transform it into a borderline-MMA style of competition. Hung Gar (tiger & crane form) definitely includes Sanshou, but I cannot vouch for other forms. I don't like including everything into a singular category like this, because there are many, many variations such as Tai Chi Chuan and Wushu, but they all generally have the same foundations, with one exception:
Wing Chun is a fantastic form of Kung Fu that can be the most practical art form for self-defense without including groundwork.
Arnis is a progressive martial art, so it will include elements of many other martial arts in addition to its core, which is knife fighting.
Jeet Kun Do is also a progressive martial art, of whose base was originally Wing Chun.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fantastic, practical martial art that is functional for self-defense and contains the same commitment to discipline and focus; but it's very injury-prone.
Hapkido is generally full of hokey crap like nerve pinches, instant-kills and other magical techniques that would include fireballs if it thought it could get away with it.
Ninjutsu was at one time a way of guerilla warfare, but now it's full of the same hokey crap that Hapkido is.
Judo is all about balance, momentum and weight distrubution, and will strengthen your core like no other martial art. Seriously, holy crap.
Western boxing will give you concussions.
Capoeira is an incredibly fun and entertaining dance, but highly impractical in any form of self-defense.
Wing Chun, BJJ or Judo would be my recommendations; although a traditional Kung Fu will be the most fun.
Look on the bright side guys. He could be out beating people up on the streets! At least now he's only hitting people who want to be hit
EDIT: As an addition to Azazel's post, shop around the local dojo's and schools. There are what I have appropriately coined "Black Belt Factories" that will teach your kids virtually NOTHING. The instructors just want money from the lessons and then to charge you for the belt test and the belt. Try and find an instructor who are least seems to have an interest in their students doing things right.
It took me eight years to earn black belt. My cousin got one in three and he didn't know anything about what he was doing. Sloppy form, couldn't form a proper fist, didn't know the forms etc. (hell I had to write a 10 page essay on the history of Shotokan to get my belt!). Find a good instructor, sit in on some lessons if you can before committing. If he charges more don't worry, it'll be worth it.
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azazel the cat wrote: Maybe, but being in your 30s is. It only takes a couple concussions to become punch-drunk.
It really only takes one. I've had three (two from folkstyle wrestling, one from American football), and I thank my lord Ath for the higher brain functions I so enjoy.
You assume the concussion risk with any contact sports (this includes basketball and soccer). Obviously steps should be taken to prevent them, but it can never be fully mitigated.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Find someplace that doesn't charge for belt testing, and as a limited number of belts: typically a white belt, yellow, one or two intermediaries (green & blue typically) and then black is about the extent of it. Any place that has considerably more stages of training than that is just a belt mill and will place emphasis on things that aren't martial arts training. Also, beware of anyone that starts talking about magical powers or chi focusing or whatever.
