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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 20:56:57
Subject: Half-traitor marines?
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Right. The Lamenters and all of those in the Badab War are still loyal, just saying. Yes they turned their back but they did it because of the situation and their loyalty to Huron. They didn't fight for Chaos nor against Chaos in the Badab War and when Huron was injured by that Star Phantoms Captain he went on to go renegade, the others went back to the Imperium all partaking in penitence crusades.
Flesh Tearers are still completely loyal, to the point with which they even sent support to the Blood Angels (in the form of the whole Chapter) in 999,M41 when Daemons and Tyranids marched on the Baal sector. They just happen to inflict stupendous collateral damage to those around them, and of course to their enemies and the High Lords find this worrying. If anything the Knights of Blood are the most renegade-like of the Blood Angels successors, see the Codex.
Alpha Legion are more like renegaed than CSM because they, well this is my theory, fight for the Imperium but for the Emperor and not the Imperium itself. Read Legion from the HH series and it will clear EVERYTHING up.
I didn't think the Relictors were renegade? I thought they just had an interest in Chaos-tainted relics which was seen as very unhealthy and suspicious hence had the special 'attention' of the Inquistion who put out warnings to all Chapters in the Adeptus Astartes,
To deal with the OP's specific question, the Soul Drinkers (Imperal Fist successors) are by far the most famous (or infamous?) example of a Chapter going renegade yet still fighting the forces of Chaos. And as pointed out, Lexicanum is your friend
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The Rout, Vlka Fenryka, Warrior Kings of Fenris.... the Space Wolves. Horus Heresy. Sixth Great Company. 1500pts. In progress.
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Axe to bare, land paved with dead,
Strode the Jaw, teeth bared in snarl,
Glimmering maw, death in hand."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 20:58:58
Subject: Half-traitor marines?
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Making Stuff
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purplefood wrote:Even if you dislike the novels you have to admit they do quite well in explaining the problems a renegade force of SM face.
That must have come later... I couldn't bring myself to read past the first one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 21:08:11
Subject: < Taken by the void dragon. >
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Infiltrating Hawwa'
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< Taken by the void dragon. >
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 21:21:19
Subject: Half-traitor marines?
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Solahma
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Declared execommunicate traitoris, nearly wiped out by the GK, driven into the Eye of Terror. The real question is, are they still renegades or full blown CSM these days?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/12 03:33:28
Subject: Re:Half-traitor marines?
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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I guess arguments could be made for whether the Space Wolves 13th Company are renegades, or if they are actually the Marine force who are bar-none the closest to performing the actual will of the Emperor, depending on whether you are a player reading the fluff, or the in-game Imperium of M41.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/12 04:24:07
Subject: Re:Half-traitor marines?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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AegisGrimm wrote:I guess arguments could be made for whether the Space Wolves 13th Company are renegades, or if they are actually the Marine force who are bar-none the closest to performing the actual will of the Emperor, depending on whether you are a player reading the fluff, or the in-game Imperium of M41.
Technically they aren't renegade since Russ told them to chase down the Thousand Sons...
They're doing what he told them to...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/12 16:53:15
Subject: Half-traitor marines?
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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I'd say AL is quite renegade.
Sure, they are supposed to be Chaos Marines, but they don't worship chaos now, do they?
Nawh, they are the James Bond marines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/12 16:59:12
Subject: Half-traitor marines?
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Solahma
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You don't have to worship Chaos to be a CSM. None of IW or NL seem to worship Chaos yet plainly are CSM. The same is true for AL.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/12 17:11:19
Subject: Half-traitor marines?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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To be counted as CSM you have to make pacts with Warp powers, something the Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion have both done and something which is becoming increasingly common in Night Lords warbands. Keep in mind there are NL Daemon Princes.
It's also why the Red Corsairs count as CSM whereas the Astral Claws did not. Huron made a pact with the Gods of Chaos to use their power after his defeat, whereas before the renegades in the Badab War had no interaction with the Ruinous powers. Huron isn't running around screaming of the glory of Chaos, but he's still a CSM.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/13 03:29:48
Subject: Half-traitor marines?
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Hellacious Havoc
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Harriticus wrote:To be counted as CSM you have to make pacts with Warp powers, something the Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion have both done and something which is becoming increasingly common in Night Lords warbands. Keep in mind there are NL Daemon Princes.
It's also why the Red Corsairs count as CSM whereas the Astral Claws did not. Huron made a pact with the Gods of Chaos to use their power after his defeat, whereas before the renegades in the Badab War had no interaction with the Ruinous powers. Huron isn't running around screaming of the glory of Chaos, but he's still a CSM.
@Harriticus you are always precise with your answers and I'm really glad you are on this forum to put delusion down....cheers
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-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/14 06:36:16
Subject: Half-traitor marines?
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Regular Dakkanaut
Ork and Catachan Training Center, Australia
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Would the Legion of the Damned count?
Althoguh, when you think of it, they aren't really renegade, they are just vigilantes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/14 15:50:29
Subject: Half-traitor marines?
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Solahma
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renegade = disavow loyalty to the Imperium
So, all CSM are renegades but not all renegades are CSM.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/14 22:05:26
Subject: Half-traitor marines?
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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper
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In Dead Sky/Black Sun there were renegades that were destroying Chaos outposts.
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