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2012/12/31 05:29:18
Subject: Re:War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
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Well, that oil in Russia is not easily accessable. even the Russians arn't tapping those reserves to their full potential. Not to mention the rugged terrain between China and Russia. Lots of mountains, not to mention a whole country seperates the two super powers.
It would definitly be China's fight but it wouldn't be as one sided as you think.
The oil under these islands is much more accessable.
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KalashnikovMarine wrote:If China was really hungry for oil and didn't mind going to war they'd go after the Siberian reserves. Russia would be a land and air battle, and except for the thought that it could go nuclear, it's not a fight the Russians could win.
These little rocks are ALL about squaring off with the United States, directly challenging the president and Navy's counter to China in the Pacific.
That's entirely untrue. China had no interest at all in the islands when they were actually under US control such as it was. But once oil was discovered there all of a sudden those rocks became an issue.
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2012/12/31 16:00:05
Subject: Re:War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
Grey Templar wrote: Well, that oil in Russia is not easily accessable. even the Russians arn't tapping those reserves to their full potential.
Oil production is driven by the ability to maximize profit, and producing more oil inevitably lowers the global price assuming all other nations maintain present levels of production. Of course, you can turn a short-term profit by liquidating stock, but the net effect will be lower prices in the wake of such a decision; particularly given that information technology has ensured that market prices adapt fairly quickly.
Of course, its entirely possible that extraction in Siberia relies on a high bbl price in order to remain viable, but the larger point remains the same. The absence of full exploitation doesn't indicate that full exploitation isn't possible at all, simply that it isn't possible at a given market price.
These little rocks are ALL about squaring off with the United States, directly challenging the president and Navy's counter to China in the Pacific.
Its a complicated issue. Both China and Taiwan claim that the islands are a part of Taiwan (And, of course, the PRC claims Taiwan is part of the PRC.) while Japan, which does not recognize Taiwan as a state, claims them by way of Okinawa. There would be a territorial dispute in either case, with oil merely complicating things. Of course, the US is implicitly involved in the situation by way of both Taiwan and Japan, though it is unlikely that China is explicitly challenging American influence in the region.
Of course, since Congress recently pledged US support for Japan in the event of a Chinese attack, it has now become a case of challenging US influence.
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2012/12/31 16:20:09
Subject: War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
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I think we should set fire to the oil and blow the islands up with several tons of dynamite. Can't argue over rocks if the rocks aren't there after all.
I do think Taiwan is going to be instrumental to this though. Taiwan doesn't really like Japan, but they still like them a whole lot more than they like the Chinese. If Taiwan suddenly says "Actually, Japan, it's OK. Have them. Sorry for the fuss" then the gak is really going to hit the fan.
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2012/12/31 16:29:37
Subject: War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
Grey Templar wrote: Well, that oil in Russia is not easily accessable. even the Russians arn't tapping those reserves to their full potential. Not to mention the rugged terrain between China and Russia. Lots of mountains, not to mention a whole country seperates the two super powers.
It would definitly be China's fight but it wouldn't be as one sided as you think.
The oil under these islands is much more accessable.
This, and the country in between has US support and a US equipped military. The distances to cover would be redonk, and conflict between the 2 would quickly escalate.
As for the islands, I would prefer them to be in Japanese hands simply due to US interests. Will war break out? very unlikely, China knows they cant win a fight against the US and Japan at the same time.
Speaking of Japan has there been any updates on them changing their constitution to allow an expanded military?(I know they did elections recently and that was an issue)
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2012/12/31 20:08:05
Subject: War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
This is about harnessing your population with Nationalism so they don't get any funny ideas about how to run things themselves, or to consider how the economy has been slowing under Communist rule lately. If the people are mad at Japan, they won't be mad at their Government, and will rally around the flag instead.
Who better for the Chinese to tweak the noses of then their old adversary from WWII. Plus, a lot of Chinese are still mad about the atrocities the Japanese committed in the 40's.
Or it could be about Oil....
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2012/12/31 20:21:30
Subject: War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
WW2? You're thinking too small E, The Sino-Japanese hate conga has been going on for literally thousands of years. WW2 is just the most recent episode.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
KalashnikovMarine wrote: WW2? You're thinking too small E, The Sino-Japanese hate conga has been going on for literally thousands of years. WW2 is just the most recent episode.
By far the best season finale of the entire series. Though the wiping away of mongol ships during a storm was quite nice, but I felt that was kind of jumping the shark. These series get too big ya know?
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2012/12/31 20:44:03
Subject: Re:War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
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And that wasn't even the Chinese. It was their Mongolian overlords
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it's approximately six major series with some special editions involving the mongols, huns and then the "Red Tide" Christmas episode which was aired right after the WW2 Finale
Korea vs. China
Korea vs. Japan
China vs. Korea
China vs. Japan
Japan vs. China
Japan vs. Korea
Special Mini Series include:
Mongols
Huns
and the "US" episodes which include "The Boxer Rebellion" "The Flying Tigers" and "WW2: Three Part Finale"
then Crimson Tide which is some over arching background episodes to special events in Korea vs. China and China vs. Korea
Tune in next time on "All my Xenophobic children with millenia of hatred and bloodshed between them and racial superiority complexes" for continued tensions between China, Japan and North Korea!
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Israel maybe, the US? Hardly. We're expanding our capabilities, but considering that we are #1 when it comes to face wrecking, in terms of cyber warfare, we are playing catch up.
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2013/01/03 14:06:45
Subject: Re:War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
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2013/01/03 18:11:11
Subject: War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
Israel maybe, the US? Hardly. We're expanding our capabilities, but considering that we are #1 when it comes to face wrecking, in terms of cyber warfare, we are playing catch up.
Please see the stuxnet virus for the most obvious example.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Israel maybe, the US? Hardly. We're expanding our capabilities, but considering that we are #1 when it comes to face wrecking, in terms of cyber warfare, we are playing catch up.
Please see the stuxnet virus for the most obvious example.
And our defences have more holes then... well something with a lot of holes.
As I said, when it comes to cyberwarfare, we are far from #1. Just because we can lay a beating down doesn't mean we're the best. Our ability to defend our networks is pretty weak.
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2013/01/03 18:31:51
Subject: War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
This is about harnessing your population with Nationalism so they don't get any funny ideas about how to run things themselves, or to consider how the economy has been slowing under Communist rule lately. If the people are mad at Japan, they won't be mad at their Government, and will rally around the flag instead.
That's pretty much the reason that Kirchner keeps sabre rattling about the Falklands, anything to draw attention away from the mess Argentina is in.
2013/01/04 00:41:24
Subject: War in the Pacific (Current events, not history)
djones520 wrote: And our defences have more holes then... well something with a lot of holes.
As I said, when it comes to cyberwarfare, we are far from #1. Just because we can lay a beating down doesn't mean we're the best. Our ability to defend our networks is pretty weak.
This. In computer systems, attacking is infinitely easier than defending and we're very very bad at defending by any measure. Honestly what needs to happen is for the government to completely separate its network infrastructure from the rest of the net but that's very expensive and will probably never happen until something really bad happens.
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Well, originally the Internet was supposed to be only for the Government IIRC. It just got hijacked and now its what it is today.
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ARPANET didn't get so much as hijacked as its concepts applied by the civilian population to create what became the internet. It's successors NSFNET and CSNET became the framework of the modern web but contrary to popular belief it was not a government network. It was a network facilitated by the government for the purpose of advancing research by allowing quick communication between the computer systems at different universities.
It was never intended to create a unique government internet, which is currently something the government could probably use to secure its data.
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LordofHats wrote: ARPANET didn't get so much as hijacked as its concepts applied by the civilian population to create what became the internet. It's successors NSFNET and CSNET became the framework of the modern web but contrary to popular belief it was not a government network. It was a network facilitated by the government for the purpose of advancing research by allowing quick communication between the computer systems at different universities.
It was never intended to create a unique government internet, which is currently something the government could probably use to secure its data.
psst... there are unique US government network....
Oh wait! Not sure if I was supposed to share that.
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