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I had never even considered the idea of Jorah and Jon (or whomever) as dragonriders. That's pretty awesome.

Experiment 626 wrote:


Young Aegon is Varys' back-up though. His first choice was Dany, hence why when he sends Jorah his royal pardon he included a rather subtle hint about the assassination attempt and that Jorah needed to stay close to Dany.
He's been forced to put Young Aegon into the spotlight because he's lost track of Dany.

Dany is the true Dragon afterall, and Aegon will no doubt meet a rather messy end!

You got this back to front. Aegon was (is!) the plan all along. Which is why he had the real support, a knight to guard him a loyal septa and an education.

Viserys was the backup, and put on the back burner because he proved to everyone he was an arsehole. Daenarys was always a spare, noone really minded when Viserys sold her, because it wasnt his dicision to begin with, it was arranged by Illyrio Mopatis, and thus with Varys approval.

The ida of trading SDany for a dothraki army actuially to support Aegon and the Golden Legion was the orginal plan. Dany's part was to sit in a tent and get humped by a barbarian and spawmn more barbarians. The fact that she made the marriage work was a side effect, her becoming the Dragon Queen with her own Khalisar was another side effect.

Whetever happens Vasrys would make sure the assassination plot failed. No Dany, no army. A prper assassin would not be found out, this world has plenty of proper assassins and the King of Westeros could afford to buy a good one. I think in this Varys made sure Robert got a lemon to do the job. If he had just paid the faceless men Dany would have died in a convincing accident.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Jorah and Tyrion will both get to Daenarys, but remain in the support.

Jon snow will likely evenyually claim one dragon and the third will be taken by the horn. This will lead to a split in dragon power and an eventual bossfight.

The Champion of Light doesn't get a dragon, he gets the sword Lightbringer instead.

I think he gets both, Jon still hasnt used up his 100pt item limit, he already has a Valyrian blade.

Experiment 626 wrote:

Besides, Dany needs her dragonriders sorted out before she gets to Westeros. "The Dragon has three heads." She must choose two others to become riders. (or rather, I think the dragons themselves will choose their riders)
Jorah is devotedly loyal to Dany, whereas Tyrion can represent the bridging of relations between House Lannister & Targaryan.

I think that a dragon rider needs Targaryen blood or another means to bind the dragon.
Tyrion might have Targaryen blood, if so then he isn't really a Lannister at all.

Experiment 626 wrote:

And no way will one of Dany's dragons go the Others! They have more than enough bad@$$ery already, considering the worst of them have yet to rear their ugly heads...

The Valyrians didn't bind dragons by love but dark magic. This place got nuked remember.

Victarion has the horn that enables him to poach dragons. I think he will get one. It makes better literary balance if one of the dragons switches to another faction. Once they grow they will become game enders.
Moqorro possibly intended for Victarion to get the dragon not Eulon, I haven't any problems with that.

 Orlanth wrote:

You got this back to front. Aegon was (is!) the plan all along. Which is why he had the real support, a knight to guard him a loyal septa and an education.

Viserys was the backup, and put on the back burner because he proved to everyone he was an arsehole. Daenarys was always a spare, noone really minded when Viserys sold her, because it wasnt his dicision to begin with, it was arranged by Illyrio Mopatis, and thus with Varys approval.

The ida of trading SDany for a dothraki army actuially to support Aegon and the Golden Legion was the orginal plan. Dany's part was to sit in a tent and get humped by a barbarian and spawmn more barbarians. The fact that she made the marriage work was a side effect, her becoming the Dragon Queen with her own Khalisar was another side effect.

Whetever happens Vasrys would make sure the assassination plot failed. No Dany, no army. A prper assassin would not be found out, this world has plenty of proper assassins and the King of Westeros could afford to buy a good one. I think in this Varys made sure Robert got a lemon to do the job. If he had just paid the faceless men Dany would have died in a convincing accident.

Maybe initially, but I think that Varys right now is going for Dany simply due to the fact she's a true Targaryan and likely the reborn version of Aegon the Conquerer.

And Varys would have known full well that Viserys couldn't save gak! Hence why his warnning about Robert's "assassin," (whom Varys went out of his way to ensure he was fairly incompetent), went to Jorah instead since he at least has proven track record of kicking @$$.

 Orlanth wrote:
I think he gets both, Jon still hasnt used up his 100pt item limit, he already has a Valyrian blade.

Being reborn from the flames as the Champion of Light, having a direwolf to warg into and making the relevent sacrifice to claim the true Lightbringer I think most definately used up his 100pt item limit!

 Orlanth wrote:
I think that a dragon rider needs Targaryen blood or another means to bind the dragon.
Tyrion might have Targaryen blood, if so then he isn't really a Lannister at all.

Jorah was unknowingly able to command Rheagal to breath fire when he said the word dracarys as a question to Dany. It earned him the ability to grow new eyebrows!

And Tyrion is Tywin's true son - he's most definately 100% Lannister.
Jamie & Cersi are the b********s, though Jamie's aunt hints that his true father could be one of Tywin's brothers.

 Orlanth wrote:
The Valyrians didn't bind dragons by love but dark magic. This place got nuked remember.

Victarion has the horn that enables him to poach dragons. I think he will get one. It makes better literary balance if one of the dragons switches to another faction. Once they grow they will become game enders.
Moqorro possibly intended for Victarion to get the dragon not Eulon, I haven't any problems with that.

Yet Dany has no magic of her own and her dragons obey her.

I just don't see one of the dragons swaping sides, simply because we have more than enough 'game enders' coming over the Wall as it is - the White Walkers aren't the worst of the Others. The really scary gak is still just waking up! (hopefully we get to hear/see more of what's coming if/when Martin decides to ever release The Winds of Winter!!! )

If anything, I think the horn will make the dragons' ears bleed quite a bit.

The thing which bothers me most about this series is Dany won't be arriving in Westeros until the final book; if Martin only does seven as he plans. No way he can resolve things so many disparate and far flung plots in Essos whilst continueing with the rest. He has Dany with Drogon n the Dothraki. The battle of slavers bay with seperate POV for Ironborn, Tyrion and possibly even Barristan. He needs to have them all in Mereen to deal with the Sons of the Harpy. Then he needs to resolve the Volantine army. Then they need to all meet up and that will take a long time. Then we need to get revenge on Yunkai and all the other slaver cities. Then we need to get to Volantis because in ADWD we're basiclly told its people are waiting for her. Then theres the final leg which will either be following in Aegons footsteps or fulfilling Barristans end of the bargain with the tattered prince n heading to Pentos. Pretty much no way shes getting to Westeros in WoW. That stuff alone could be a novel in itself, never mind how many other characters and plots are happening at the same time; or which need equal attention.

I'm betting the Winds of Winter will be at least the same size as ADWD's if not a bit bigger and be focused mainly on Dany's story/Tyrion & what's happening at the Wall with Jon, Melisandra, the Night's Watch et all, with a few spread out focus chapters on Cersi/Jamie, etc...

Thats really unlikely. The southern plot with the Game of Thrones is still the main plot and we have lots of POV's there to give us all the different insights into whats going on.

Off top of my head

-Cersei at her trial with Margery, huge event and still unresolved. Martin wouldn't be adding the Sand Snakes into the mix at Kings Landing if we weren't going to get far more politics, exposition and Machiavellianism occuring at Kings Landing.

-Sam- Is either going to be training to be a Maester or get involved with the Ironborn siege at Oldtown. Not to mention his entanglement with a certain Faceless man who is pretending to be somebody.

-Jamie n Brienne are together its true but both have always made significant and bulky POVs so I doubt they'd be marginalised in this one.

-Arriane Martell- Her plot will involve Aegon and his efforts to take the Iron Throne. Two preview chapters alone have already been read out or put out.

-Aeron Damphair- Martin has confirmed there will be Aeron chapters dealing with the Ironborn.

-More Jon Connington at least until he meets Arriane. But possibly after as well.

-Minor spoiler but in a preview chapter for Arriane a confrontation is set up between two characters, one of whom was a minor POV character in AFFC. So there'll be for with them to resolve that mystery.

-Sansa n Littlefinger. A ton of stuff was set up wth Harry the Heir and baelish implying he knew about Daenerys with his talk of "War of 3 Queens". What will he do now Aegon has arrived.

That is a lot without considering Arya chapters and northern chapters (Asha, Theon, Jon, Melisandre, Bran, Davos). IMO it will be a serious stretch to fit all of those plots in since they are all so disparate and unless Martin wants to render ADWD even more redundent by ignoring the stuff he set up to happen in those books he'll be lucky to address everything in WoW. It wouldn't surprise me if Daenerys only just gets to Volantis; never mind Pentos or Westeros by the end of that book. Its reached the point where the Southern, Northern and Essosi arcs should have there own novels given the amount of POV characters and events taking place.