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Armor is very much worth it. Land Raiders are still great battle taxis with some heavy weapons. Rhinos are great bullet shields. Razorbacks are cheap weapons platforms. All of them also distract your opponent's heavy weapons fire from the real objectives takers: troops.

Armor is certainly worth it in this edition. The only thing different is that heavy armor (AV13+) is relatively better than lighter armor spam, rather than the other way around as it was in 5th ed. Your preds and land raiders should do fine.

As for termies, I wouldn't bother with assault termies anymore, but the shooty kind were secretly good in 5th ed, and are explicitly good now.

Sorry useing my phone and all work on it. should i just build a list that works for me and stick with it our should i always be changing it


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I use to team my droppod dread termys and a unit of stern together and bring fight to my opposition. They worked realy good. but ever one i played got mad our said waste of points and them units shouldn't work that good.


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Just like my attack bikes 2Hb one multi kill so much for me but i guess they suck

frogy27 wrote:
Then i dont no how to deal with flyers as don't like them. i would take quad guns but cost a lot and can only shoot at flyers. so realy ther is no way to deal with flyers in less you run flyer list and take less troops and tanks

There's a reason that modern militaries (especially the US) establish what is called "air superiority" before sending in the ground forces. When you rule the sky, the ground will almost inevitably follow.

If fliers are really bugging you, then just take more assault cannons. They're one of the best marine weapons anyways, and put out lots of shots. Twin-linked assault cannon razorbacks can do horrific things to fliers. Alternately, if you must, try some rifleman dreads. Hell, you can even take a lot of twin-linked lascannons. A regular old land raider with two of those and a multimelta averages a hit per turn against a flier on average, and if either lascannons or melta weapons hit a flier, it tends to bring them down, and in a hurry.

Or you could just ignore them and focus on winning the ground game. Pretty much the only flier you have to be all that worried about is the helldrake, but I don't know if it's worth it to bring a few middling anti-air weapons into the fold just to handle that one unit.

Drop pod on their face and kill all their stuff by the mid-point of turn 2, and you've already pretty much won the game. All the fliers are going to be able to do is desperately attempt to claw them out of an incredibly desperate position on the ground.

As much as people like and fear airplanes, it's boots on the ground that win the games. Remember that, and fliers look less scary.

GEt some Loota Allies.

Quad guns are only an answer to one plane, provided you actually destroy it. of course against my Dakkajets it takes one down the instant it comes in, but mine never even dents anyone elses (curse my luck...). Theyre just a chance to deny a unit entirely, not a hard counter to the entire plot.

The thing i hate about planes in general is theyre either lame and ignorable (Burna-bommas...) or HOLY COW KILL IT NOW !!! KILL IT!!! and practically takes a third to half your army to deal with it unless youre lucky as hell.

As for the OP: Armor is useful if you get it in pairs or more. Never get a single vehicle, even if its a long-range snipe. Your opponent will usually have some kind of anti-tank and if you only have 1 vehicle then everything he has that can pop it will charge it immediately. Mass it, you might not have enough troops, finding a balance makes them useful

frogy27 wrote:
I like assult termy as i likr fire power i have five with asc but ever says the suck i don't like the other termys as i belive in fire power but ten termys cost way to much and really dont last that long the any hard to kill

Sorry dude google translator can't even work that one out

You could try some tau allies to bring a trio of broadsides, strong anti-armor / flier battlesuits that have a good chance of trashing a flier.

Or necron allies as with tesla you don't even need to bring a cron air force