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 undertow wrote:
Ahh, that sucks. I vaguely remembered that you can get a Warlock squad for Eldrad (or am I wrong there too?), I assumed he could purchase any Farseer options he didn't already have.

I guess my Eldar are going to continue to spend their time on the shelf. I switched to Daemons about a year and a half ago and haven't really looked back.

Eldar are just fine though. In 5th Ed, I ran a foot-dar list with Eldrad and the Avatar with Storm Guardians and Wraithlords with a Harliquinn mob (pretty much every unit had a Psyker). In 6th Ed, they made Eldar players go foot for the best effectivness (specially the cap/contesting aspect) and players like me where hit the least with the changes. Change out the Avatar and the Storm Guardians for a 10 man Wraithguard unit and a 2nd Farseer and I am pretty much set. I still like Infiltrating Striking Scorps, I like the idea of a Fire Dragon Exarch manning the gun on the ADL. I like Guardians (and Rangers) sitting back behind the line giving support fire with a weapons platform and Jetbike Guardians are just as viable as ever. Heck, even Swooping Hawks are /good/ right now and they /never/ were. Only thing that I feel really took a hit was Banshees because of the PW nerf. But you know what, I bet they are not as bad as people think. It seems to be a popular tactic in 6th to win via making your opponent roll 1s on saves instead of totally ignoring armor. I will say this, Banshees are still marine killers, they just can't stand toe to toe with other elites like they use to.

When they do get a codex, I think it will be alot like the Chaos Dex... same damn thing with a few tweaks and a couple of new models, including a flyer or three.

 BlkTom wrote:

 undertow wrote:
Ahh, that sucks. I vaguely remembered that you can get a Warlock squad for Eldrad (or am I wrong there too?), I assumed he could purchase any Farseer options he didn't already have.

I guess my Eldar are going to continue to spend their time on the shelf. I switched to Daemons about a year and a half ago and haven't really looked back.

Eldar are just fine though. In 5th Ed, I ran a foot-dar list with Eldrad and the Avatar with Storm Guardians and Wraithlords with a Harliquinn mob (pretty much every unit had a Psyker). In 6th Ed, they made Eldar players go foot for the best effectivness (specially the cap/contesting aspect) and players like me where hit the least with the changes. Change out the Avatar and the Storm Guardians for a 10 man Wraithguard unit and a 2nd Farseer and I am pretty much set. I still like Infiltrating Striking Scorps, I like the idea of a Fire Dragon Exarch manning the gun on the ADL. I like Guardians (and Rangers) sitting back behind the line giving support fire with a weapons platform and Jetbike Guardians are just as viable as ever. Heck, even Swooping Hawks are /good/ right now and they /never/ were. Only thing that I feel really took a hit was Banshees because of the PW nerf. But you know what, I bet they are not as bad as people think. It seems to be a popular tactic in 6th to win via making your opponent roll 1s on saves instead of totally ignoring armor. I will say this, Banshees are still marine killers, they just can't stand toe to toe with other elites like they use to.

When they do get a codex, I think it will be alot like the Chaos Dex... same damn thing with a few tweaks and a couple of new models, including a flyer or three.

I feel the reason banshees were hit hardest wasn't the power weapon nerf - not charging out of a transport kills them for me. It means banshees have to disembark and stand for a turn, in range of your opponents shooting. With marines it's not so bad (T4 3+) but with banshees it's T3 4+. So they get shot to death in short order as banshees in charge range get a high target priority from your opponent.

On the charge, they'll be as good as ever, it's just getting them there that's the problem.

I want an open topped transport or one with an assault ramp from the new codex. But I think you're right - copy/paste and a flier or two seems to be the current plan for codex's.

The Psychic nerf has made it even harder for them, now they exit without any psychic protection thus making it certain they will die a horrible death.

Unless you go BRB powers - invisibility and forewarning would both confer an extra 4+ (either cover or invulnerable).
Thinking about it, if you could use the former and drop them off in cover they'd have a 2+ cover save. Till the flamers come.

I'm kind of thinking right now that maybe instead of going all out, saving 25 points and just taking 3 powers to swap would be the most efficient plan. You'd be looking at 135 for a seer like that on the ground casting 2 charges a turn. No runes as I was thinking of running my second seer like this and I don't fight many Eldar or Tyranid armies.

I've also found recently that Farseers are awesome wth Warp Spiders when mounted on a bike. They gain Hit and Run and Fortune makes Spiders a lot tougher. And being such short range and such a dangerous unit they really benefit from extra durability. Works well with BYB powers too. Might actually make a seperate thread for this haha...