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DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
The magnagrapple doesn't have to wound, or even hit. It just has to be fired, since the range that is checked is done before firing.

Ignore that, seems I didnt rememeber the FAQ as well as I though!, Daddy is indeed correct,

Also bear in mind with your premise that the Deathwind launcher cant fire the turn the pod comes down. Drop pods can only snap fire on the turn you come down and you cant snap fire a Deathwind Launcher.

If i'm reading that FAQ response correctly; the wound pool can be allocated out to the longest range gun you fired not wounded with.

Don't need to hit or wound, just fire it.

So the magnagrapple basically gives the fragnought 12" flamers. Makes perfect sense. Good going GW.

Still not as dumb as a single autocannon letting an IG blob kill things with lasguns out to 48".

OMG. I didn't even think about that. This really should be on a gun by gun basis.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Still not as dumb as a single autocannon letting an IG blob kill things with lasguns out to 48".

That's not how it works though, it doesn't extend the range of the gun to hitting a squad that would be initially out of range, it merely allows wounds fired at a unit in range to be allocated to models out.

So you can't fire lasguns at a unit >24" away, that's ridiculous. However, if the unit is 23" away with some models that are 25" away, as long as you have an AC in there, you can wound the entire unit with the lasguns.

Griddle got it exactly. GW worded it poorly, because they are too frequently poor writers, but once you understand what Griddle just wrote it a fairly simple rule.

Therefore, with the Fragioso, my Frag Launcher can hit, say, 8 times, and the meltagun or magnagrapple allows the casualties to come from 8"-12" away once you run out of bodies within 8".

I should have clarified. As long as all your models with lasguns are within 24" of the closest target model, that one autocannon means you can murder guys out to 48".

But seriously, suicide drop popped triple template Furiosos with magnagrapples are silly.

Martel732 wrote:
OMG. I didn't even think about that. This really should be on a gun by gun basis.

That would be so annoying though...

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I should have clarified. As long as all your models with lasguns are within 24" of the closest target model, that one autocannon means you can murder guys out to 48".

But seriously, suicide drop popped triple template Furiosos with magnagrapples are silly.

Who suicides a dreadnought, when you can send in back up? It the point, though.

Any dreadnought that you drop within template range of the enemy is probably going to die. It takes massive target saturation or a ton of luck to keep one alive after using it like that.

The range ruling may not make much sense in reality, but take it from someone who played in the old days where each model was measured individually... doing it that way takes AGES.

 Super Ready wrote:
The range ruling may not make much sense in reality, but take it from someone who played in the old days where each model was measured individually... doing it that way takes AGES.

To be fair, it really doesn't make much of a difference. People are freaking out but in reality, people don't have their troops in a line perpendicular to your firing very often, which is the only time it'd make a massive difference. Really it's going to maybe put 1 or 2 more wounds on a squad.

It was worded stupidly, but it speeds things up without affecting too many units.

It's actually a pretty brutal nerf for things like Grey Knight Strike Squads, Dire Avengers, and anyone else with a large number of high Rate of Fire Assault weapons who can't bring along random longer range weapons.

With premeasuring, getting everyone into range of exactly one model wasn't hard to do. Then you unloaded with the entire squad, killing models quite deep into a squad.

Now, you'll have to move into range to get assaulted to make effective use of your 24" Assault 2 gun, which kind of defeats the purpose of it having a 24" range.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
It's actually a pretty brutal nerf

Indeed, that's why I clarified "some" although I don't think it's "brutal." My GHs have suffered a little from it, but it's not enough to make them a poor choice. Similarly I've decided to kit my chimera mounted plasma vets with an autocannon or mortar if I can't spare 5pts to ensure I get those plasma hits in.

Any unit affected by it was already a strong unit IMO, so it's nothing they can't take in the name of balance.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I should have clarified. As long as all your models with lasguns are within 24" of the closest target model, that one autocannon means you can murder guys out to 48".

That is the way it worked Pre FaQ, so no change for squads like this.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
It's actually a pretty brutal nerf

It really isn't that brutal.

Many units get at least one long range weapon. Those that don't will have to be a bit closer to kill more models in the target unit. Not all that bad.

Martel732 wrote:
Well it will hit every guy under the templates regardless. It can wound extra guys if you get a single big shoota wound.