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After something that never happens means it never happens.


Alternatively, it can just means skip that step. Seriously, that is perfectly valid way to read it. And the context would indicate that's how it SHOULD be read.

You don't get to make you own rules of grammar.

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It doesn't say "after", it says "if". It's a conditional statement. Two conditions are given, and both have to be met, for DtW to be used. Destructor doesn't trigger both of the needed criteria.


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I gather the SW book does say "after", which is what we were talking about. Don't feel like looking it up.

Regardless, "if" in common language does not necessarily mean the same as "only if", or the programming "if/then" statement.

If I say, "if the floor is dirty, sweep it", am I saying you MAY ONLY sweep the floor if it's dirty? Or am I saying that that is one of the things that can lead you to sweep the floor.

GW uses imprecise language. I really think this sentence is describing an order of operations, not a requirement. If for some reason you could DtW force weapons (you can't) I don't think the GK banner would make it so magically no longer got to use DtW. (but it does bypass effects that make harder for you to pass the test, like Shadows in the warp)

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I agree with Mannahin, Both conditions need to be met, and destructor doe not meet one of them.

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of course, if warlocks dont auto pass the test, for the purpose of allowing DtW

then they dont get to resolve the power either,

since BRB pg 68

assuming that the Psychic test was passed and the enemy did not nullify it through a successful Deny the Witch roll, you can now resolve the power


the same trick of the language that is being used to deny DtW rolls, also deny's resolving the power, as BOTH steps stipulate that "the psychic test was passed"

so you cannot pick and choose, and say passing the test only applies to DtW and not to resolving the power as well.

if you must pass the test to result in DtW, you must also pass it to resolve the power, both requirements state the test must be passed,

so there are only two options
1: warlocks cannot cast powers, because they never pass a pyschic test (which also prevents DtW roll)
2. warlocks ALWAYS cast powers, they are always on, because they auto pass/ignore tests in ALL steps of the power resolution process


one cannot say they treat psychic tests one way in step 4 of the psychic power process, but they treat it completely differently in step 5





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Right, what he said. Unless they're just describing and order to resolve things in....in which case everything happily makes sense.

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Ofc, GW writing being what it is the part about the test might just be there to remind you of it. Can't resolve the power if the test failed and no need to DtW.
   
 
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