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 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 Griddlelol wrote:

some BT players aren't good,

Fixed

Sorry, I forgot you were in this thread...

Maybe it should have been: "BT aren't good unless you've been practising with them forever and your opponent is too busy watching another game to really pay attention."
BT are cool. I love them, they're certainly not a top tier codex though. It doesn't mean you can't win with them, it just means it's going to be tough.

 Griddlelol wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 Griddlelol wrote:

some BT players aren't good,

Fixed

Sorry, I forgot you were in this thread...

Maybe it should have been: "BT aren't good unless you've been practising with them forever and your opponent is too busy watching another game to really pay attention."
BT are cool. I love them, they're certainly not a top tier codex though. It doesn't mean you can't win with them, it just means it's going to be tough.

haha Ill accept that. I would love to play or continue building one of my oither armies but I keep buying BT and still do suprisingly well as my main army.

I DO NOT NEED THAT VINDICATOR I NEED A HIVE TYRANT HOW DO I STOP?!?

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 Griddlelol wrote:

some BT players aren't good,

Fixed

No, TBH we ARE a bad army. It's still possible to play and win with Templars, but it's an uphill battle and requires more than average luck.

Honestly, unless your assaulting a guardsman blob squad with prescience, overwatch amounts to about jack. (I've seen maybe one failed assault from it in god knows how many games) Random assault rolls average 7" though i have rolled a 2 before. though if you followed the 5th concept of always getting as close as possible before assaulting, you wont have an issue with failed assaults (in 5th good luck assaulting in the open, everyone and their dog found cover somewhere). Its when we see a possible 12" move that we go for it anyways.

Assaults styles are still there, people just need to rethink how they do things, or avoid temptations (I dont, I like taking the risk for good or ill, but I know it can be a downfall beforehand) And don't do something that doesnt make sense, like charging a 5 man squad into 20 rapid fire weapons. However it is acceptable to charge one giant dreadnaught into 20 useless flashlights then charge the 5 man team into them.

Getting them accross the board reliably is the real issue it seems for most CC heavy armies. since assault transports are at a premium.

Lucius leading noise marines with a lord with the burning brand.

3 d3 ap3 overwatch hits (2 doom sirens+brand). I use it in a squad with 15 men - so 28 rapid firing bolters on overwatch too.

I used it on the weekend and it was almost as good as hit and run - 10 DA charged it. Overwatch took them down to 4 men that weren't in range.
It's just not worth charging that unit with meq's.

The squad doesn't look like much - but it'll kill meq's before they ever get to swing. Then, if you do get to cc, I hit first because of I5, then I get FNP.

There are plenty of nasty overwatchers. Disco Inferno Royal Court. Flamer Dominions/Retributors. Combiflamer Sternguard. Etc...

I have not won a single game in 6th with cc ork list. I never seem to pass my charge rolls and always suffer to overwatch.

I wish they made OW only count if you charge the units front arc would make it much more tactical