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Tau would rule because there a young race and ally with nearly everyone so..

Hmm...Eldar I guess. They got their asses kicked once by the C'tan, and will get their asses kicked again.

Then, again...everyone but the Necrons loses. So, w/e.

The tau and elder would probably unite find ways to pit the other races against each other

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Tau; they lack sufficient FTL capacity to ever rule more than a small section of the galaxy. They're currently incredibly tiny, a pinprick of light on the map, and could, at most, upgrade their territory from a pinprick to a speck.

This. The tau have no psykers at all, and because of that their ships cannot enter the warp. They would never be ever to even TRAVEL across the galaxy, much less conquer/rule it.

 Cheesedoodler wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Tau; they lack sufficient FTL capacity to ever rule more than a small section of the galaxy. They're currently incredibly tiny, a pinprick of light on the map, and could, at most, upgrade their territory from a pinprick to a speck.

This. The tau have no psykers at all, and because of that their ships cannot enter the warp. They would never be ever to even TRAVEL across the galaxy, much less conquer/rule it.

I don't think warp travel works how you think it works.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Tyranids.

- They can't beat a single Space Marines chapter
- They can't make planetfall with but a single Eldar defending the globe
- They've been outwitted by Orks
- They've been starved to Death by Vostroyans
- They've been trampled to death by the Guard
- They've been out-adapted by the Tau
- They've been defeated by a single wily Inquisitor

They are clearly the bottom-feeders of the 40K universe. Gotta wonder why GW still bothers.

This.... IS SPARTAH (lol) but anyways this is true because of GW fluff bugs/alien/themostxenothingknowntoman never wins. Plus the reason they lose to the Astrates is because the have *puts hands on hips looks up and does honourable voice* THE EMPRAH
You: but he's immobile on a lazy boy
Me: True True but they also have *same things as above* THE ULTRA SMURFS wait no I mean THE SPACE MARINES! Yeah dats rite c:

I said in the last "who would win" thread that I think none of the factions could win. If one of them were going to lose, though, it would probably be the Eldar. They're functionally extinct anyway. It's just a waiting game at this point. Personal opinion of course.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

MrMoustaffa wrote:Sees results.

Eldar isn't "winning" by at least a 50% margin.

I'm ashamed of you dakka.

Eldar aren't really dying out. They're still significantly larger and more powerful than the Tau. That includes the DE, as well.

Peregrine wrote:DE. Too small and irrelevant to ever win, unless you define "winning" as staying alive in their small territory where nobody can reach them.

Commorragh is a massive enough construct to house multiple stars. It could have a population density a hundredth of Alaska's and it would still house more Eldar than there are Guardsmen.

And the Tau are the most likely to win, not the least. The Imperium will be too busy with other threats to deal with them properly, so they will survive and continue developing better technology until they reach a point where a single gun drone conquers the Imperium out of sheer boredom (the actual Tau having found better things to do).

Judging from the Eldar and Necrons, there's clearly a plateau point where the efficacy of technology just tapers off. The Imperium reached it before the Heresy, and is nearly at it still, while the Tau are rapidly approaching it (note their pronounced lack of improvement between the arrival of Behemoth and the latest point). The Tau, at the best the setting allow technology to be, could be wiped out by a single Craftworld, or a particularly large Kabal. To say nothing of a crusade on the level of the Sabbat Worlds' Crusade.

Firstly; Behemoth was merely a couple of hundred years ago - how quickly do you expect a civilisation to advance? Going with you for a moment however, there is actually little info on how far the Tau have come in that time-frame. No, there isn't sufficient evidence to say they've been advancing, but I haven't seen a blip to suggest they aren't. Care to mention your sources?

Secondly; it is true that Tau have inefficient FTL capabilities, but being a race all to happy to take help, I doubt they'll hesitate to employ auxiliary navigators when it becomes neccessary. In the meantime, Tau warp-travel is significantly safer and more reliable. Consider when they are employing faster warp travel in unison - they'll have warp-travel as good as anyone else's, but with a safer version for short distances. That's something only Tau have currently.

Thirdly; people seem to be happily ignoring reported incidents between Tau and other species. When considering the Damocles Gulf Crusade, people seem content to forget that a large collection of IG along with Space Marines of around 7 or so Chapters, were stalemated at the first major world they hit. The only purgings they succeeded in were mining outposts and frontier colonies. When they reached Dal'yth (the first of many septs) they couldn't break through and eventually retreated to tackle some 'nids. And this was all before the Tau fleet had even arrived to reinforce Dal'yth. Conclusion - The IoM is going to need to try much harder to hold the Tau back. As another point, in the DE codex, there is mention of an invasion of a Tau world. In this case the DE decimated the (largely undefended) Tau planet, yet even Vect and Rakarth were heavily involved in this victory. Yes, Tau lost. Does this support a Craftworld or large Kabal taking on the Empire (or even a sept)? I think not.

Do I think the Tau will defeat the Imperium? Not neccessary, but they're much more capable than people often realise - of course, the codex doesn't really reenforce that.

Ultimately, I would consider the Eldar and Dark Eldar to have the grimmest prospects. Mostly because they are dying races and, more importantly, they aren't trying to win back the galaxy. They're resigned to their fates, and are respectively trying to live in peace, and making the most of their existence.

Its orks.

Yea, one day they will overrun the galaxy with their fungi-numbers but they arent unified in the slightest. Orks kill orks just as often as 'umies because "Hey! Dat ork haz a bigga gun! KILL 'IM!!!"

Tau will be crushed by anyone if they draw enough attention to warrent it. They are a footnote of an empire in comparison to the IoM. Unless they get the GK treatment and were actually hidden from realspace just to reappear 10k years later as a super force the galaxy can't contend with.

Ok - so here is how I see the fall of the races:

Tyranids \will be the first to fall for all eternity: Everyone hates them and they hate everyone.

Orks and Necrons will fall next - While tough and whatnot, they are the next most dangerous targets that man will wipe out.

Dark Eldar and Eldar would be the next to go: cause humans would work with the Eldar to get rid of the DEs, then turn on their allies.

Tau would get to play the whole 'for the greater good' with the humans for the rest of eternity as Chaos and Man duke it out in a neverending fight. IF the humans pull it off, they will either wipe the tau or relegate them to their tiny speck. If Chaos wins - the Tau are dead....

Tau, no contest.

Well represented by this fact with their "in game" presence as well.

Aun Tier wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

MrMoustaffa wrote:Sees results.

Eldar isn't "winning" by at least a 50% margin.

I'm ashamed of you dakka.

Eldar aren't really dying out. They're still significantly larger and more powerful than the Tau. That includes the DE, as well.

Peregrine wrote:DE. Too small and irrelevant to ever win, unless you define "winning" as staying alive in their small territory where nobody can reach them.

Commorragh is a massive enough construct to house multiple stars. It could have a population density a hundredth of Alaska's and it would still house more Eldar than there are Guardsmen.

And the Tau are the most likely to win, not the least. The Imperium will be too busy with other threats to deal with them properly, so they will survive and continue developing better technology until they reach a point where a single gun drone conquers the Imperium out of sheer boredom (the actual Tau having found better things to do).

Judging from the Eldar and Necrons, there's clearly a plateau point where the efficacy of technology just tapers off. The Imperium reached it before the Heresy, and is nearly at it still, while the Tau are rapidly approaching it (note their pronounced lack of improvement between the arrival of Behemoth and the latest point). The Tau, at the best the setting allow technology to be, could be wiped out by a single Craftworld, or a particularly large Kabal. To say nothing of a crusade on the level of the Sabbat Worlds' Crusade.

Firstly; Behemoth was merely a couple of hundred years ago - how quickly do you expect a civilisation to advance? Going with you for a moment however, there is actually little info on how far the Tau have come in that time-frame. No, there isn't sufficient evidence to say they've been advancing, but I haven't seen a blip to suggest they aren't. Care to mention your sources?

Secondly; it is true that Tau have inefficient FTL capabilities, but being a race all to happy to take help, I doubt they'll hesitate to employ auxiliary navigators when it becomes neccessary. In the meantime, Tau warp-travel is significantly safer and more reliable. Consider when they are employing faster warp travel in unison - they'll have warp-travel as good as anyone else's, but with a safer version for short distances. That's something only Tau have currently.

Thirdly; people seem to be happily ignoring reported incidents between Tau and other species. When considering the Damocles Gulf Crusade, people seem content to forget that a large collection of IG along with Space Marines of around 7 or so Chapters, were stalemated at the first major world they hit. The only purgings they succeeded in were mining outposts and frontier colonies. When they reached Dal'yth (the first of many septs) they couldn't break through and eventually retreated to tackle some 'nids. And this was all before the Tau fleet had even arrived to reinforce Dal'yth. Conclusion - The IoM is going to need to try much harder to hold the Tau back. As another point, in the DE codex, there is mention of an invasion of a Tau world. In this case the DE decimated the (largely undefended) Tau planet, yet even Vect and Rakarth were heavily involved in this victory. Yes, Tau lost. Does this support a Craftworld or large Kabal taking on the Empire (or even a sept)? I think not.

Do I think the Tau will defeat the Imperium? Not neccessary, but they're much more capable than people often realise - of course, the codex doesn't really reenforce that.

Ultimately, I would consider the Eldar and Dark Eldar to have the grimmest prospects. Mostly because they are dying races and, more importantly, they aren't trying to win back the galaxy. They're resigned to their fates, and are respectively trying to live in peace, and making the most of their existence.

A few points Vects and Rakarths involvment against the tau was not a full scale assault by either, they were treating it more like a hunting expedition with Vect as the honoured guest. Also the DE are no means dieing out due to the fact they clone themselves to increase numbers and replace losses and yet still have a appreciable birthrate. In fact many areas of Commoragh are mentioned as being overcrowded.

Amaraxis wrote:Ok - so here is how I see the fall of the races:

Tyranids \will be the first to fall for all eternity: Everyone hates them and they hate everyone.

Orks and Necrons will fall next - While tough and whatnot, they are the next most dangerous targets that man will wipe out.

Dark Eldar and Eldar would be the next to go: cause humans would work with the Eldar to get rid of the DEs, then turn on their allies.

Tau would get to play the whole 'for the greater good' with the humans for the rest of eternity as Chaos and Man duke it out in a neverending fight. IF the humans pull it off, they will either wipe the tau or relegate them to their tiny speck. If Chaos wins - the Tau are dead....

While DE and Eldar have differing philosaphies they are mentioned in several sources as still having close ties. So I doubt the Eldar would ally with the Tau against the DE.



Though in a interesting note what would happen if the Tau discovered the webway and learned how to access it. Near instananeous travel no psykers required

Tau they are only a fledgeling empire and most races are trying to kill them