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question is on precision shot . i do not have the brb right now. can you place the hit out of his range? or will the faq wound rang change this?

 madfjohn wrote:
question is on precision shot . i do not have the brb right now. can you place the hit out of his range? or will the faq wound rang change this?

only if the model you want to allocate to is a viable target to be allocated a wound, as per the normal rules for allocation.

So would out of sight apply?

It does not say you follow the normal rules for allocation, it states you allocate the wound.

Well, I can't see how allocating a PS to the model your choice gives permission to break the other rules for wound allocation (ie, OOS and Range).

A rule needs to be consistent and I believe this is the real issue. Using three scenarios you get incongruent results.
Ex: An enemy unit with 1 model is at a distance of 24" and 9 models are at 25" from every shooting model in the attacking units below:
A. A unit of a single las cannon shooting. A maximum of 1 enemy models can be removed.
B. A unit of 5 storm bolters shooting. A maximum of 1 enemy models can be removed.
C. A combined unit of A & B above shooting. All 10 enemy models can be removed.
The las cannon has conferred a capability to the storm bolter models to remove enemy models that they couldn't do on their own. A congruent result is obviously unit C being able to remove a maximum of 2 models. Therefore, the rule is inconsistent. I think inconsistent rules create a less enjoyable game experience.

Brian2000 wrote:
A rule needs to be consistent and I believe this is the real issue. Using three scenarios you get incongruent results.
Ex: An enemy unit with 1 model is at a distance of 24" and 9 models are at 25" from every shooting model in the attacking units below:
A. A unit of a single las cannon shooting. A maximum of 1 enemy models can be removed.
B. A unit of 5 storm bolters shooting. A maximum of 1 enemy models can be removed.
C. A combined unit of A & B above shooting. All 10 enemy models can be removed.
The las cannon has conferred a capability to the storm bolter models to remove enemy models that they couldn't do on their own. A congruent result is obviously unit C being able to remove a maximum of 2 models. Therefore, the rule is inconsistent. I think inconsistent rules create a less enjoyable game experience.

The rule is very consistent. It does it's job every time.

Whether it's fair or not is another matter.

A unit with 10 lasguns all in rapid fire range of 5/20 single wound models of an enemy squad will get 20 shots with 5 potential kills.

A unit with 10 lasguns all in rapid fire range of 5/20 single wound models of an enemy squad AND an autocannon in range of 20/20 single wound models of an enemy squad will get 22 shots with 20 potential kills.

I guess we all just have to adapt. One hack around this is to do the following:
With a unit of 10 lasguns, fire 9 rapid fire with 5/20 in range, fire 1 not rapid fire in range of say all of them. Now the 19/20 of the enemy squad can be killed with 19 shots.

Lame? Yes. Allowed by the rules? Yes.
:(

8 Lasgun Imperial Guard unit with First rank FIRE!! Second rank FIRE!! can get 23 potential wounds up to 24" even if only one enemy is within 12" by using this method.

Rapid Fire doesn't change a weapons range, so wounds are not limited to half range.

rigeld2 wrote:
Rapid Fire doesn't change a weapons range, so wounds are not limited to half range.

After careful consideration I agree

It's like the melta effect; if it's within half range it rolls an extra D6 for armour penetration. It's still 12" range.

If a rapid fire weapon is within half range, it fires an extra shot. It's still a 24" range weapon (If it's a boltgun or something).

Rapid Fire simply adds an effect to the weapon which causes it (involuntarily) to fire an extra shot if it's within half range.

I have to smile. This is why I play house rules with friends. Never was fond of playing against strangers because of the differences that arise in understanding the written rules from the big book, the faq, codex specific material, and then applying them in a game.

My first battle was against a stranger back in 4e. Although this is not about the wound allocation of the firing phase, it is still valid on the grounds of how a written rule is understood. It was my first CSM list while he was a "veteran" player of SM. The battle went something like this:

My 1st turn was just moving my squads.

His 1st turn was two drop pods landing on top of all my guys. Game over.

Regardless if that is truly the 4e rule, it is how he understood it and he was anal about said rule. I was still learning the very basics and was in no position to argue. Later I found that that I was grossly taken advantage of and I became demoralized. Years later I am still reluctant to play with strangers.

As for the OP, I hope that you have some trusting friends to play and guide you through your firsts. I personally believe that having such friends will make a huge impact on your initial experience with the hobby and whether or not you will stay involved.

EDIT: Spelling Error.

If I play a game with a stranger and he comes out with an interpretation that seems strange and unfair, we review it in the rulebook and make sure the rule says what he thinks it does.

So let's a squad of Marines with a missile launcher and four bolters targets an enemy unit 36" away. I can shoot them with missile and rapid fire the bolters too?

No, the bolters are not allowed to fire as they're over 24" away.

Okay just checking.