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I only own a Wii to play GameCube games, and I'd still be playing them on a GameCube if they had a cord for them to connect to modern TVs that didn't cost in the $100+ range. It was literally cheaper to buy a backwards compatible Wii, Now I can play my remastered OoT and Majora's Mask (my favorites of the Zelda franchise), Skies of Arcadia Legends and Tales of Symphonia in peace.

When I think Wii, I think Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime 3. So, games released in 2006 and 2007 respectively. In the following 5-6 years, I only bought two games (out of maybe 8 or so) that I thought were really excellent -- Xenoblade and Skyward Sword. I always chalked this up to the Wii not really being marketed to me, someone who spends most of their gaming time with Bethesda or BioWare. One apparent goal of the WiiU was to bring gamers like me deeper into the Nintendo fold, with ports of ME3 and Arkham City early in the console's shelf life. The problem was, gamers like me had already played those games on the "big boy" consoles months before and the bizarre tablet controller does not seem interesting enough to buy and play them again.

IMO, Nintendo has showed too much ambivalence to the non-casual gamer demographic with the WiiU launch. ZombiU looks interesting and it's certainly "mature" but it's also not really exciting enough for me to shell out $300-$350. For one thing, more zombies? More importantly, it's not Nintendo IP. More specifically, it's not Link or Samus. If the WiiU had been launched with an Arkham City-style Metroid game, the damn thing would still be flying off the shelves. I know that top shelf Nintendo IP is few and far between: for every Twilight Princess there's 3 Mario Parties and 150 license games. I just hope the WiiU doesn't become the console for $40 low def releases of Call of Duty games, i.e., the proverbial trailer park of console gaming.

ZombieU would be a good game if it...was good. It's very repetitive, has a weird balance, mediocre graphics and a non-existing story. It's a mediocre game and that simply doesn't sell hardware.

The system lacks a system seller. Super Mario Wiiu part 321 ain't.

I'd love to see a LoZ game done in the style of Skyrim.

If you mean, a large open world without much scripting in how you approach it -- then I really agree.

If you mean, with that palette or that level of graphical realism -- I think that would be ... well, very interesting to say the least. It would have to work harder than any other entry in the series to work at all.

Swan-of-War wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 Grundz wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:
Not surprised in the slightest. A gimmicky console that provides nothing new except for a controller and with graphics that are already years out of date.

people said that about the wii too

doesn't matter if the games are fun as hell

You are aware that the WII had the worst attachment rate of any console in over 10 years right?

Calling you out bro. Lord of Hats and I already proved the Wii world-wide attach rate is 7-8 games per console, at least five times higher than your dubious 1.5.
Please provide at least some sort of comparison numbers from Sony and Microsoft, otherwise you're just blowing smoke.

I would think the millions of Wiis gathering dust in home entertainment systems would be evidence enough...

I mean seriously, for the average person, the Wii had a horrible time keeping people interested. 7 to 8 games per system doesn't really mean anything when 90% of its games are shovelware and you can count the number of games that were actually good on your fingers.

I like nintendo's franchises and all, they're games we all grew up but they're about at the end of what they can get away with. You can only release Zelda so many times before people stop taking you seriously, and for many gamers they've already reached that point. Think about it, are you really wanting to buy ANOTHER system that will realistically only have 10 or so truly good games released for it, most of which are just another sequel in a series that should have been put out of its misery years ago? You'll get a smash bros game, a Mario game (hopefully not another super Mario game reskinned for 60 bucks) a metroid game, a Zelda game, and one random older series or oddball game brought in to show that Nintendo is still trying. You'll get a few decent 3rd party games and that'll be it.

Sorry for sperging out but I honestly don't see how people can keep handing them money when they know Nintendo is going to pull all the shenanigans they did with the Wii again. I would imagine thats a huge part of why the wiiU isn't selling. Guys like me are waiting to see if this is going to be another Wii, or if it'll be an actual video game console this time around. And until they can show some new stuff besides their same old worn out series, I will remain unconvinced. I'm not stupid, they'll probably ride out this console generation just on the cash they get on the diehards alone, but I highly doubt this system will sell anywhere near what the Wii did. If they do end up taking a dive, it will be the generation after this, because the WiiU weakened them with crappy sales and left them in a tight spot.

 Ouze wrote:
I know the quality of the games for the Wii has greatly tempered my desire for any new Nintendo hardware. The ratio was, in my opinion, 1 good game to about 200 shovelware titles. For years after the launch of the console, I still thought Wii Sports was the best game on it.

This is true. Not sure what I proved in the other thread XD I thought this was my point (not that the number is 1.5 but that the Wii's had lackluster game sales). Wii Sports and Wii Fitness, games were typically bundled with the console were among the top selling games on the Wii, i.e they didn't sell the games they sold bundle that included the games and the console. That no Wii game ever topped Wii Sport's sales really speaks to this.

My sister has a Wii and owns maybe 10 games for it. We both own a 360 and we probably have bought 50+ games for that each over the past six years. On the PC I've probably bought 10 games in the last 4 months alone, and our PS3 has at least 30 games and we hardly ever touch that thing.

EDIT: That said! It's really mostly in the US that the Wii U is doing poorly. It sold like hot cakes in Japan, and has done decently in Europe so the argument can be made that what Nintendo has lost is the US market, which isn't that surprising as our market here state side behaves very differently from others in the world in Video Game sales.

I have read on a few different sites, both gaming and non gaming, that the lack of advertising did some damage to sales. In addition, the very casual users that bought one for say Wii Bowling or that game with the balance board don't actually know there is a difference in the consoles.
The one factor that has stopped me from getting one recently was the lack of a North American release of the Monster Hunter bundle. I will eventually buy one, but I am pretty sure I will buy a PS4 before then.

I was really pumped for the WiiU, and still will get one eventually, my problem is, they have all these cool ideas and promises of good titles and so on......and what do we have yet? Another version of Mario Bros Wii edition, just with shiny textures and this time you cna play as your avatar! Oh....thats boring. Dont get me wrong, its probably a good enough game, as most Mario games are, my problem is, they are sticking to the ideas that made me stop playing my Wii. ZombieU is a great idea for the system, and some of the ports were as well, but not so strong that Im going to go out and sit on this console hoping something good starts coming out. I did that with my 3DS and its on Craigslist waiting to be sold. My kids are the only ones that use the thing, and Ill be honest......its only to watch NetFlix on it


So Im giving it a year to see what starts happening with the games, and hopefully by then a price drop to help me with my efforts lol

I think the death of Mid-tier games has really screwed the wiiU. The average game consumer only wants (imo)boring 2d casual games or the best graphics possible. Stylised games like Borderlands 2 and dishono(u)red are now criticized by the average gamer for 'Crap graphics'.

The kind of mid-tier games that the wiiU should have dozens of by now are simply not profitable, so that just leaves nintendo and its firstparty developers who, lets face it, have never been particularly prolific. The wiiU's out of date hardware is actually a boon to experienced last gen developers to make games with much smaller budgets, however it's simply not profitable anymore.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Releasing a current gen console with a sub-par tablet controller and no significant console sellers...how could that go wrong!

...and top it off, Nintendo is serious about the "year of Luigi". You know, the character everyone loves.

Gives us a damn, f-ing awesome dark and gritty Zelda. I would even buy a WiiU.

I don't know, Lugi's Mansion for game cube is probably in the top 10 games of gamecube games because it was a great game.
mostly the biggest problem is that compared to other consoles the Wii has terrible graphics.

 Perkustin wrote:
I think the death of Mid-tier games has really screwed the wiiU. The average game consumer only wants (imo)boring 2d casual games or the best graphics possible. Stylised games like Borderlands 2 and dishono(u)red are now criticized by the average gamer for 'Crap graphics'.

The kind of mid-tier games that the wiiU should have dozens of by now are simply not profitable, so that just leaves nintendo and its firstparty developers who, lets face it, have never been particularly prolific. The wiiU's out of date hardware is actually a boon to experienced last gen developers to make games with much smaller budgets, however it's simply not profitable anymore.

I think I agree with this a bit. The bitch part is, Nintendo HAS the ability to make some really good games, that graphics are left out of the equation and still sell and are fun as hell to play. Problem is, they also seem to Nintendo most those up like I was saying earlier. Im sorry Nintendo, I dont want an Epic Yarn remake. I hated Epic Yarn in the first place, it was an insult to my intelligence. I wish theyd use these cool Nintendo ideas in a way that would grab my attention again.

Interesting idea on the third party game thing. 3rd party games have always had a horrid time gaining traction on Nintendo platforms, so whenever Nintendo drags its feet on releasing a game, there's always a noticeable lull. This also leads to systems feeling like there's nothing good out (like the 3DS's pitiful launch).

Nintendo seems to be trying to fix that with the WiiU, but when your flagship 3rd party titles are just remakes of titles from a year ago, that's not a good sign.

 Asherian Command wrote:

I don't know, Lugi's Mansion for game cube is probably in the top 10 games of gamecube games because it was a great game.
mostly the biggest problem is that compared to other consoles the Wii has terrible graphics.

Let alone the fact that I consider the game garbage, getting into the Gamecube's Top 10 games is like making it to the Top 12 of the dirty dozen ;D

They need to make a 3D Pokemon game for the WiiU. Not like Coloseum or Battle Frontier but more in the vein of the handheld games. It may not appeal to many on here, but for children and people in Japan . . .

Nope that would sway me heavily to wanting to buy a WiiU if they came out with a Pokemon game worth a damn. I really only like pokemon games like Diamond and pearl and so on. Cant stand the little adventure ones, they are so terrible IMO

It would appeal to me as well. I hated the other games like Blue Rescue Team (I don't want to wait on random chance for someone to join me, I want to catch it immediately!). It would be cool if you could freely travel between all the main regions, but that may be too much wishful thinking.

Yea, that would be a huge ass game......but then again, the world in FF7 was fracking massive....and it was a PlayStation game. So really......wish it the hell up

 KingCracker wrote:

 Perkustin wrote:
I think the death of Mid-tier games has really screwed the wiiU. The average game consumer only wants (imo)boring 2d casual games or the best graphics possible. Stylised games like Borderlands 2 and dishono(u)red are now criticized by the average gamer for 'Crap graphics'.

The kind of mid-tier games that the wiiU should have dozens of by now are simply not profitable, so that just leaves nintendo and its firstparty developers who, lets face it, have never been particularly prolific. The wiiU's out of date hardware is actually a boon to experienced last gen developers to make games with much smaller budgets, however it's simply not profitable anymore.

I think I agree with this a bit. The bitch part is, Nintendo HAS the ability to make some really good games, that graphics are left out of the equation and still sell and are fun as hell to play. Problem is, they also seem to Nintendo most those up like I was saying earlier. Im sorry Nintendo, I dont want an Epic Yarn remake. I hated Epic Yarn in the first place, it was an insult to my intelligence. I wish theyd use these cool Nintendo ideas in a way that would grab my attention again.

What's wrong with Epic Yarn? It's a cute, colourful little game, just what Kirby should be...

No way. THIS
http://www.ign.com/games/kirbys-return-to-dream-land/wii-99013

Is what Kirby should be. Its cute, but hes still a total badass and gets things done. Yarn was just ridiculous, and VERY Japanese. Now they are making the same thing but with Yoshi WTF!

 Squigsquasher wrote:

What's wrong with Epic Yarn? It's a cute, colourful little game, just what Kirby should be...

My gf liked it, but only for the graphics (that were really great! i.e. art design), she said it wasn't challenging at all and got boring real quick. Only the art kept her going.

Which leads to it being to childish. Again, you want a GOOD kirby game, the dreamland remake was excellent. I finished it, and then redid it on the much harder mode you unlock