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PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant




Great Falls MT

lynata Except that the Sisters' Acts of Faith are specifically not psychic phenomena as per GW.
Note that there are some licensed products that paint a very different picture, however, so it comes down to what sources each of us bases their perception of the setting on. In other words, you are certainly not "wrong" in this opinion, but you do not have "the only truth" either.


Well I take the Sisters of Battle to not be psychers as a defining characteristic. However, their souls still impact the warp, enough even to elicit a response from the entity to which they direct their will. So while the; living saints, acts of faith (like invulnerable saves, rending bolter roungs etc...) are not psychic phenomena as directed by the machinations of a Sister, they are certainly warp based imho, elsewise the only other option is the existence of the divine in the 40k universe.

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When your wife suggests roleplay as a result of your table top gaming... life just seems right

I took my wife thru the BRB for fantasy and 40k, the first thing she said was "AWESOME"... codex: Chaos Daemons Nurgle..... to all those who says God aint real....  
   
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Hallowed Canoness




Ireland

thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote:Well I take the Sisters of Battle to not be psychers as a defining characteristic. However, their souls still impact the warp, enough even to elicit a response from the entity to which they direct their will. So while the; living saints, acts of faith (like invulnerable saves, rending bolter roungs etc...) are not psychic phenomena as directed by the machinations of a Sister, they are certainly warp based imho, elsewise the only other option is the existence of the divine in the 40k universe.
... or that these Acts of Faith are not miracles at all but merely represent the combination of the Sisters' intense training and indoctrination, resulting in seemingly superhuman feats of war (a real life example of which I have provided on the previous page), further "hyped" by any witnesses who would surely take something like that as a sign of the Emperor's divine protection.

But to throw in some quotes from GW's own material:

"For millennia, the Sisters have practiced their unique method of war combining combat doctrine and prayer which enables them to accomplish feats upon the battlefield that appear miraculous to the unschooled."
- 3E C:WH

"No Adepta Sororitas character will ever have psychic powers of any sort."
"Acts of Faith are not counted as psychic powers, and so may not be nullified."

- GW website

Indeed, the previous version of the Shield of Faith actively blocked psychic powers of any sort - even those from allied psykers whose effects would benefit them. And when the Ephrael Stern mini still had its own rules, she was barred from benefiting from the AoF of her fellow Sisters due to her psychic contamination.

If it would be as simple as an emotional response, AoF would be way more common and available to just about any Frateris Militia whipped into a frenzy by their Confessors, or deployed by any Chaos Cultist squad.
   
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Death-Dealing Devastator




Los Angeles, CA

 watchamacarcess wrote:
Now we all know 40k's logic is...far fetched and quite frankly ridiculous but I'd like to get some basic measure of how it works.
Faith, will power, determination and courage are all very powerful things in 40k and it is because of these things people can do miraculous things. For example Commissar Yarrick can survive completely over the top injuries. Also heroes such as Yarrick or Creed (and probably space marine ones, although I'm less familiar with these) can inspire men to such super human feats that even a battle hardened space marine would think twice before engaging them. Now on with the question.

Where is the line drawn? could someone such as Yarrick survive a bolter round to the face? could an enraged, inspired and ridiculously courageous guardsmen successfully wrestle a space marine? I hope you guys get what I'm trying to say. What can and can't faith do in 40k?


Look... if you dig really deeply into 40K fluff, it can be broken down into a kind of biblical story. The Emperor is kind of a Jesus figure and, through faith in him, a person can do otherwise impossible things.

Disclaimer: Non-religious Jew here.

 
   
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker





The warp is changed by emotional energy, whether intentional or not. Tell me, why did Khorne come into existence through human bloodshed when psykers outside of the Big E not exist at that time? Every thought has an effect on the warp. Faith is both a thought and a feeling, so when enough think/believe in something there is the possibility of those thoughts coalescing within the warp into something psychically tangible, and thus affecting the matterium as well.
   
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter




Seattle

Khorne existing because of human action is... a rather gaktarded bit of writing from GW. At the time that humans were doing the things that gave rise to Khorne, there was plenty going on in the galaxy at large, considering that it is only 39000 years prior to M41.

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