This is just unbelievable, thread related to personal firearms.

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**martian_jo**

whembly wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:

@Whembly: I take some issue with the disingenuous numbers in that link. The "US doesn't even crack the top 25" bit evidently considers Puerto Rico to not be entirely separate from the US, which is a grey area at best. Even beyond that, attempting to claim that you don't have a problem because there are 25 third-world countries with little to no government infrastructure that are worse is a farce.

Erm... okay.

We need to be number one?

Despite our desire to be #1 at everything I think we can pass on this one.

For now anyway. If we run out of things to be the best at we can revisit the idea at a later time.

**KingCracker**

azazel the cat wrote:
KingCracker wrote:Yea I wouldnt believe that at all. According to that graph, 80% of house hold have fire arms? Thats a bit high, even for Murica.

The graph is labelled as household with guns, but the axis is actually measuring the rate of ownership per 100 people; households have nothing to do with it.

I believe the actual number is 89 guns per 100 people in the US.

And if this graph is based solely on private ownership, then that would explain why Israel is so low, and why Switzerland is likely non-existent (due to state-issued firearms)

@Whembly: I take some issue with the disingenuous numbers in that link. The "US doesn't even crack the top 25" bit evidently considers Puerto Rico to not be entirely separate from the US, which is a grey area at best. Even beyond that, attempting to claim that you don't have a problem because there are 25 third-world countries with little to no government infrastructure that are worse is a farce.

Ahh see now THAT makes sense. I didnt feel like reading the article so just went off the graph posted (yea I know, bad idea lol)

**reds8n**

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22076650

The BBC's Guy Delauney: "These incidents are very unusual in Serbia"
Thirteen people have been killed in Serbia after a man went on a gun rampage in a village near Belgrade, local media report.

Six men, six women and a two-year-old boy died before the gunman tried to kill himself and his wife. The pair are now said to be in a serious condition.

Police identified the gunman as Ljubisa Bogdanovic, a 60-year-old war veteran.

The victims were reported to be mainly relatives and neighbours of Bogdanovic, and included his mother and son.

The shootings took place in several houses in Velika Ivanca, about 50km (30 miles) south-east of the capital at about 0500 local time (0300 GMT).

Local residents said the gunman, armed with a 9mm handgun, killed his son before leaving the house and shooting dead neighbours, some of whom were still asleep.

"He knocked on the doors, and as they were opened he just fired a shot,'' villager Radovan Radosavljevic was quoted by the Associated Press as saying.

"He was a good neighbour and anyone would open their doors to him. I don't know what happened."

All but one of the victims died instantly, police said.

Serbian police chief Milorad Veljovic, who is at the scene, told RTS that the gunman was "from a peaceful family and had no criminal record".

"We're all just stunned," Mr Veljovic said.

The suspect is reported to have been made redundant last year. He fought as a Serb soldier in the war in Croatia in 1991.

The motive for the attack was not immediately clear.

In a similar attack in Serbia in 2007, a 39-year-old man shot dead nine people and injured two others in a village in the east of the country.

Dreadful, nasty business.

Hope no Dakknauts and their friends/families are affected.

**Brother Captain Alexander**

reds8n wrote:

Dreadful, nasty business.

Hope no Dakknauts and their friends/families are affected.

Poor standards of life, non-existing economy, low payments, high bills, high prices everywhere, post was syndrom and over the top nationalism and religion tend to make people a little insane. So it's no wonder people go nuts from time to time.