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I didn't know this was debated before. I only wanted to get some clarity of the ruling for some Psychic abilitites. Both sides make a point but I don't think you should be allowed a Deny the Witch

If the Psychic test is successful, the Brotherhood Champion immediately makes a single attack

The first part there comes first does it not?

 Super Ready wrote:
No DtW roll as the power targets the caster. If you could deny this, you'd also be able to deny Force weapons, which you can't.

No FNP either as it's not an unsaved wound.

above is correct,

you only get deny the witch against powers that target your unit,

champions power is cast on the champion, despite it haveing an affect on your unit (read BRB pg 66-70 DtW specifically says just because your unit is affected by a power, does not mean it is targeted by it, getting DtW)

no DtW against champions power, force weapons, hammer hand, or other things that target the caster

no FnP against this either, FnP is ONLY used on unsaved wounds, if no unsaved wounds are caused, no FnP


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rnlmeat0666 wrote:
I didn't know this was debated before. I only wanted to get some clarity of the ruling for some Psychic abilitites. Both sides make a point but I don't think you should be allowed a Deny the Witch

If the Psychic test is successful, the Brotherhood Champion immediately makes a single attack

The first part there comes first does it not?

a psychic test being successful, is not the trigger for deny the witch,

deny the witch is only triggered when an enemies spell that specifically targets your unit is cast, read its rules again, it specifically says some powers may AFFECT your units, but you still dont get DtW unless your units were the specific TARGET of the power.

Eternal Warrior also doesn't do anything against Heroic Sacrifice either, it only effects ID not remove from play.

Clively - again, find where the psychic power TARGETS the eemy model. It doesnt. It grants an additional attack to the BC, and THIS is the target of the power.

No DTW, exactly the same as FW

@clively Im not trying to bash or be rude but i dont think you know what your talking about. This psychic power is clearly not a psa and is more of a buff than anything. You should not get a DtW roll because this power is very similar to a force weapo(or so it seems) and you dont get DtW against force weapons

 liturgies of blood wrote:

PSA is choose target, roll test, resolve PSA.
This is make test, choose target and resolve attack.

This. DtW is rolled when the psychic test is passed. With a witchfire power, a target has been declared by that point, thus you may DtW.

With Heroic Sacrifice, you take a psychic test, buffing yourself for 1 hit. THEN, if the test is successful, you choose a model in base contact with you to make a to hit roll against. You can't DtW against a psychic power that doesn't target an enemy.

To those saying the target is "the model in base contact", it doesn't say that. It says that after the test is successful, you make a to hit roll vs "A" target in base contact. There can be more than 1 model in base contact, and so the target isn't defined until after the psychic test is resolved, at which point the controlling player would nominate the target of the attack from those in base contact.

So Ork Weirdboy powers can't be Denied... They do the test first, then roll the power from a list and select a target if needed. Good to know for when I dust off my Orks.