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 Snrub wrote:
Get all the paints you could ever need for your army bundled together for the low low price of what you would normally pay anyway.

Do you expect them to just give stuff away? GW should by rights charge more for their bundles because of the time saving offered to the customer on having to shop for the items individually.

I own both a WHFB and a WH40k army, have about 20-30 colors and GW wants us to say that Ultramarines need 39 colors?

Hahaha, GW just went full slow. Again!

The essentials bundles are a good idea that could have been done better. If it had been me, I would have thrown in a second, free base colour pot into each of them - you're bound to use more basecoat than highlights or washes, and it would encourage people to buy their paints in bulk. Release one of these bundles for each base colour, and you could change how people buy their paints. Instead of spending an hour working out which two dozen paints you need for a new colour scheme, you could just grab the Black bundle, Red bundle and Caucasian Skin bundle and be done with it.

 Ouze wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
Nothing wrong with helping newcomers into the hobby.

This is where I think they went too far. If I had not played the game, and walked in and said, "hey, how do I paint these blue halo guys?" and was directed to a $145 paint collection fo just about 40 different colors, I'd immediately think the HHHobby was super-expensive and overly complex*.

They should have kept it down to 10 colors max. Hell, the painting guides they post rarely use more then 7 or 8 colors. I think the premise is good, the execution is not.

*which is true, actually.

Agreed that size is unhelpful to a newbie, and anyone who was prepared to spend that on paints would already know what they were doing. The Blood Angel set looks alright, I think there'd be less rage if there was a 6 or 7 set kit for every main army/codex.


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 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Get all the paints you could ever need for your army bundled together for the low low price of what you would normally pay anyway.

Do you expect them to just give stuff away? GW should by rights charge more for their bundles because of the time saving offered to the customer on having to shop for the items individually.

The average consumer probably underestimates how much time it would take in a warehouse/factory to select and assemble all those tiny things. I'd say the lack of discount offsets it, though a token 5% discount would be nice. An exception to this would be if demand for full sets was so high that it became economically viable to package them in full sets, which I doubt there is.

 BryllCream wrote:
Agreed that size is unhelpful to a newbie, and anyone who was prepared to spend that on paints would already know what they were doing. The Blood Angel set looks alright, I think there'd be less rage if there was a 6 or 7 set kit for every main army/codex.

Yes - I think maybe 10 should be the cutoff, but in any event I think we agree on the steak so no need to quibble over the peas.

I think the concept is good, and if they added a 5 or 10% bundle discount it would be great, but the execution was poor as presented - I think they got greedy.

Yeah. Sounds like someone had the idea for bundles to make things a little easier for the fans, then a manager had the bright idea of making them a)unnessesarily large and b)without a discount.

The concept is fine. The pricing is silly.

I can get the whole line of Vallejo Model air for $240ish at an online discounter.

As to all the comments about metallic paints. I loved my old gun metal grey (god rest its soul). AP is the best replacement I have found. As to golds, bronzes and the like I've switched over to the Tamiya alcohol based acrylics and they are amazing.

I use the vallejo alcohol based metallics and... I never ever want to go back to acrylic metallics.

 BryllCream wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Get all the paints you could ever need for your army bundled together for the low low price of what you would normally pay anyway.

Do you expect them to just give stuff away? GW should by rights charge more for their bundles because of the time saving offered to the customer on having to shop for the items individually.

The average consumer probably underestimates how much time it would take in a warehouse/factory to select and assemble all those tiny things. I'd say the lack of discount offsets it, though a token 5% discount would be nice. An exception to this would be if demand for full sets was so high that it became economically viable to package them in full sets, which I doubt there is.

It's cute that you're wedged so far up GW that you totally missed the sarcasm.

As for the warehouse time? Pwah hahahaha! WTF?

I'm paying (well, actually I'm not, as I'm trying not to give GW any cash at all, but for the purposes of this point) for their product. If they choose not to follow the convention of offering a bulk discount that's there choice, as its my choice not to buy it, but if their warehouse is so inefficient that picking an order contributes even 5% of the order value to the cost, they're in deep trouble.

Ever had a warehouse job? Ever have to read a list of goods from a piece of paper - or more likely a computer terminal - check the goods number vs the number in the inventory, then physical pick it and pack it, then log in the computer that you have transferred it from inventory to despatch? Then having to do that 40 times?

Not there is no bulk saving at all, but to pretend that it's not a significant expense for them untrue.As I said, I think a 5% saving would be suitible, but the probblem is that anyone willing to spend £80 on a paint set, would also be willing to pay £90 for a paint set - there is nothing to be gained from GW's point of view for discounting at that level.

As far as metallics are concerned, I've found nothing better than Vallejo's air line.

 BryllCream wrote:
Ever had a warehouse job? Ever have to read a list of goods from a piece of paper - or more likely a computer terminal - check the goods number vs the number in the inventory, then physical pick it and pack it, then log in the computer that you have transferred it from inventory to despatch? Then having to do that 40 times?

Not there is no bulk saving at all, but to pretend that it's not a significant expense for them untrue.As I said, I think a 5% saving would be suitible, but the probblem is that anyone willing to spend £80 on a paint set, would also be willing to pay £90 for a paint set - there is nothing to be gained from GW's point of view for discounting at that level.

Yet again, you spectacularly miss the broad point by concentrating on the details.

Ok, a paint order is likely as big a pain in the ass of an order as they likely get, but don't you think that these bundles might actually be already put together on their own SKU? They might even come specifically grouped from their paint supplier, albeit that would imply a level of organisation and forward planning GW seldom seem to exhibit. Just doing rough maths, a 40 pot paint set would have to take nearly 45 minutes for one operative on minimum wage to process to justify 5% of the sale price. I concede I've never worked in a warehouse, but I have worked for organisations with warehouse operations, and that seems a tad excessive, I would expect them to try and implement efficiencies to reduce handling times on something like that.

But, back to the bigger picture, GW are on record as making what was it 70 odd percent mark up on their direct channel? And they STILL don't think offering a nominal discount to show willing and generate a modicum of goodwill is a good idea? That's the issue here, not how long it takes Dave to put some paint pots in a box.

 BryllCream wrote:

orkybenji wrote:
I like this idea. I would have appreciated this when I was a brand new painter.

Same. Nothing wrong with helping newcomers into the hobby.

That's what they used to do when they provided painting tips and tutorials on the website, for free. (None of which used 39 different paints ...)

 Goliath wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

orkybenji wrote:
I like this idea. I would have appreciated this when I was a brand new painter.

I wouldn't have, I would have appreciated some proper education in colour theory and how to mix highlights and shades to look the way you want instead of a "paint by numbers" system. It was far too long after I started painting that I learned I could use browns, bones and black to get more realistic looking colours.


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 Snrub wrote:
Get all the paints you could ever need for your army bundled together for the low low price of what you would normally pay anyway.

Honestly, this really boggles my mind and downright makes me feel insulted at times. The idea that we are too stupid to figure out what we want to add to our cart is just... just... wtf. It'd actually make sense if they knocked off 10-20%, but as it is, it's just insulting.

Yes, because this is meant as n insult to experienced painters who know what colours they want, and not aimed at all at little Jimmy who absolutely needs all 39 of the paints GW says he'll need to daub onto his new Space Marines for his ultramarine army.

I think you might want to think about the intended target for some of GW's products, rather than defaulting to "This paint insults me!" otherwise you'll give yourself an aneurism.
I apologise if this is too snappy, I just woke up.

Actually, I am thinking about little Jimmy as well. Little Jimmy doesn't need 39 paints in a one click bundle to paint an Ultramarine. Little Jimmy should have proper painting tutorials and shouldn't need a one click bundle any more than an experienced painter. I started collecting miniatures when I was 10 and I'm pretty sure I would have laughed at these sets even back then. Maybe little Jimmy isn't as sharp as kids were back in my day

I'm not having an aneurism any more than you are with your reply, I'm just getting increasingly disenchanted with the way GW perceives it's consumers. Like the flyer bundles... half of them just boil down to selecting "2" or "3" in the drop down menu. How stupid do they think we are?

I'm not having an aneurism any more than you are with your reply, I'm just getting increasingly disenchanted with the way GW perceives it's consumers. Like the flyer bundles... half of them just boil down to selecting "2" or "3" in the drop down menu. How stupid do they think we are?

A fool and his money are soon parted. ... I believe that is how the old saying goes. GW believes that there are many fools within their H-H-Hobby.

And I think in many ways they are right.

 BryllCream wrote:
Ever had a warehouse job? Ever have to read a list of goods from a piece of paper - or more likely a computer terminal - check the goods number vs the number in the inventory, then physical pick it and pack it, then log in the computer that you have transferred it from inventory to despatch? Then having to do that 40 times?

If the computer isn't displaying it by product name and SKU and they aren't logging it into the computer as packed via a barcode scanner, then they've got some serious problems.

I don't doubt paints are the worst things for the warehouse staff but if they are sensibly named and laid out it shouldn't be that bad, How long does it take a GW staffer to pluck a selection of paints from the store rack? It shouldn't be any worse than that with the exception of a double-check before the box is sealed.

Actually, I imagine paints must be one of the *easier* things to pick. Each pot is an individual piece, as opposed to various sprues which come in similar sizes and colours - it's very reliant on things being in the right bins to start with or you'd have to check each one fairly thoroughly as you picked it up. With paints the colour differences should be obvious, and they're small enough that I would presume they're all in the same area of the warehouse already.

In before FineBundle and FinePack starts getting thrown around.

All those colors in the "Tau" paint set and not a single one of them even slightly matches my army.

Maybe they should have named it the "T'au and maybe Bor'kan paint set"?