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This shouldn't even be news worthy...

New paint sets are out. Get all the paints you could ever need for your army bundled together for the low low price of what you would normally pay anyway.
Also brand spanking new are the "essential paint collection" sets. Because according to GW knowing how to paint Karki is essential (as is having 40 different paints to pain Ultramarines).

Heres a link.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=8800056


EDIT: And photos.

Essential Paint Collection: Blood Angels


Essential Paint Collection: Tanned Flesh


Essential Paint Collection: Bone


Essential Paint Collection: Khaki


Hive Fleet Kraken Paint Collection


Tau Paint Collection


Dark Angels Paint Collection


Ultramarines Paint Collection


Dark Eldar Paint Collection


Metallics Paint Collection


Orcs and Goblins Paint Collection

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I like this idea. I would have appreciated this when I was a brand new painter.
   
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I haven't looked at the anocement yet. Let me guess.

Web exclusive and it costs exactly the same as if you were to buy all the paints separately?
   
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I think these groupings are a good idea. Obviously, some sort of discount on the bundle would make sense, but this is GWS so lets not go nuts. Even so, I'd have found these convenient if I were the target demo for these.

Also, nearly 30 colors to paint Ultramarines?

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Ah Ouze, that would be 39 colours to paint Ultras.

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39 colours for an Ultramarine palette seems a mite excessive. But overall, meh. Imagine how much goodwill GW would garner if they offered just a token discount on these bundle 'deals'

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 Snrub wrote:
Ah Ouze, that would be 39 colours to paint Ultras.


oops, that was 5 rows, not 4.

Even more laughable, I guess.

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Ya-huh.


Oh Ouze you wanna know what's laughable? Go look how much we have to pay for those 39 paints... Go on. Dare ya.

Heres a hint.
Spoiler:
$234.

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 Ouze wrote:
I think these groupings are a good idea. Obviously, some sort of discount on the bundle would make sense, but this is GWS so lets not go nuts. Even so, I'd have found these convenient if I were the target demo for these.

Also, nearly 30 colors to paint Ultramarines?

I probably used that many on any given army I've done. Base, wash, highlight, extreme highlight for armor, weapons, skin, and other various materials really adds up.

I like that they're doing these things; makes it pretty easy to figure out what you're doing. If they were at even a slight discount that'd be nice, but these recent 1-click bundles must be doing alright or else they wouldn't be doing them.

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 Snrub wrote:
Oh Ouze you wanna know what's laughable? Go look how much we have to pay for those 39 paints... Go on. Dare ya.

Heres a hint.
Spoiler:
$234.


I spent nearly half of that for the entire 80 color range of Minitaire on Amazon. But that's a whole different argument.

I do think the bundling in general is a good idea though of course there is some room for improvement.

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orkybenji wrote:
I like this idea. I would have appreciated this when I was a brand new painter.
I wouldn't have, I would have appreciated some proper education in colour theory and how to mix highlights and shades to look the way you want instead of a "paint by numbers" system. It was far too long after I started painting that I learned I could use browns, bones and black to get more realistic looking colours.


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 Snrub wrote:
Get all the paints you could ever need for your army bundled together for the low low price of what you would normally pay anyway.
Honestly, this really boggles my mind and downright makes me feel insulted at times. The idea that we are too stupid to figure out what we want to add to our cart is just... just... wtf. It'd actually make sense if they knocked off 10-20%, but as it is, it's just insulting.

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Compared to Minitaire, gotta love getting less than half the paints (39 vs 80), less than half the size each (14 ml vs 30 ml) for almost double the cost ($234 vs $135).

Oh GW, you so funny. Bundles to me seem silly unless there's a discount. They include way more than you need in the bundle (as in most bundles), the trade off is you normally basically get the unnecessary stuff for free

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I laughed when I saw these.

One click bundles drive me mental, moreso than they have any right to, and these are just silly.

The little guides they've had for a while as to what paints to use to create a given effect have purpose, and the idea of bundling them makes perfect sense, but the zero discount on an item which undoubtedly has a very high markup is hard to stomach.

But then I only really use GW paints for basecoating and washes, and even then, only to basecoat large areas; everything else I mix myself, as any slight inconsistencies won't be noticed, and how many $4.00 14ml bottles do I need?

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
orkybenji wrote:
I like this idea. I would have appreciated this when I was a brand new painter.
I wouldn't have, I would have appreciated some proper education in colour theory and how to mix highlights and shades to look the way you want instead of a "paint by numbers" system. It was far too long after I started painting that I learned I could use browns, bones and black to get more realistic looking colours..


Mixing paints is fine for single or character figures or if you're exceptionally good at it, but it leads to issues of consistency if you're trying to use the same paint scheme across a large army. So I don't think having highlight tones available is unreasonable.

I'd probably have been interested in themed packs when I was starting too, but those kits are all painfully expensive for beginners and I'd rather be buying them in say 10's every other week as I needed them.

What I don't get is why these are special bundles instead of a painting guide with a list of codes. It's not as if many of them are complete sets anyway so some hunting is still required (like the Blood Angels one, I'd still need to get black, yellow, silver, blue, and so on).

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orkybenji wrote:
I like this idea. I would have appreciated this when I was a brand new painter.

Same. Nothing wrong with helping newcomers into the hobby.

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 Snrub wrote:
... bundled together for the low low price of what you would normally pay anyway.


*nearly spits coke all over screen*

I don't know why but I wasn't expecting that joke. Well done.


I can't get over how silly some of those names are. GW's desperate™ attempt™ to™ trademark™ everything™ has led to a seriously user unfriendly system for paint. Kindleflame? What's that meant to be? Drab isn't a colour, it's an adjective. Has anyone yet figured out what colour XV-8 is? It doesn't sound like a colour.

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 BryllCream wrote:
Nothing wrong with helping newcomers into the hobby.


This is where I think they went too far. If I had not played the game, and walked in and said, "hey, how do I paint these blue halo guys?" and was directed to a $145 paint collection fo just about 40 different colors, I'd immediately think the HHHobby was super-expensive and overly complex*.

They should have kept it down to 10 colors max. Hell, the painting guides they post rarely use more then 7 or 8 colors. I think the premise is good, the execution is not.

*which is true, actually.

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I must admit I have been an avid GW supporter since 2nd edition and love both their main game systems.

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Daston from what i understand there would need to be a serious overhaul in GW upper command before we see anything like that happen.


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Also quick question to those who might know.

I know previously the GW metallics were lauded as being the best around. Is this still the case or should i keep switching my paints to Vellejo?

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The range no longer has Boltgun metal. I think that about sums up how good these paints are.

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I don't think the GW ones are anything special.

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 DiabolicAl wrote:
39 colours for an Ultramarine palette seems a mite excessive. But overall, meh. Imagine how much goodwill GW would garner if they offered just a token discount on these bundle 'deals'


I think that Ultramarines aren't needed. DA on the other hand, being a starter army should.


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Oops, didnt notice the DA one... lawl

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In my limited experience, GWS makes the best metallics. I've used P3, Vallejo, and Minitaire, and GWS is consistently the best. There are some exceptions:

I found Vallejo Brass to be a rough equivalent to whatever GWS's brass\bronze is called now in both tone and quality, and

Gunmetal is a good match in tone for Leadbelcher\Boltgun Metal - but it isn't quite as opaque, so doesn't cover as well.

The P3 I have found are consistently worst in class for metallics, they tend to look glittery imo. However, some of their other colors are to kill for - Hammerfall Khaki should be in every Blood Raven painter's toolbox.

I continue to stick with GWS for washes and metallics, with the exception of Nuln oil, where I think AP is better (also, they make a Devlan Mud equivalent).

I have started making my own washes with Les Bursley's recipes, but I haven't quite gotten them to "lay" as well as the GWS washes for lack of a better word. They have a tendency to pool if not careful - I think adjusting the matte to flo-aid ratio fixes this but I still havent gotten it down.




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I couldn't fathom why the feth you would need 40 paints to paint fething Ultramarines of all things, until I took a look at their gakky "guide" on the website.

When it takes 5-6 different colors just to paint gold, or steel, and 7 different paints just to get blue fething armor, I guess it all adds up real quick. Apparently it also takes about 6 different paints just to do lenses or purity seals. I don't understand why the system needs to be this damn complex when the results look so damn basic (from what I saw on those little cards they had when the paint range was first released) you could seriously achieve it with about half the paint they tell you to use. Some of them are literally useless, there's no point in using a red shade when doing lenses or purity seals, you can just use a darker red and build up to a lighter one. I can't imagine the effect of the shade would be all that noticeable in the end.

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 Ouze wrote:
I think these groupings are a good idea. Obviously, some sort of discount on the bundle would make sense, but this is GWS so lets not go nuts. Even so, I'd have found these convenient if I were the target demo for these.

Also, nearly 30 colors to paint Ultramarines?

Spoiler:


You'd be surprised. The paints are designed for a 3-4 colour layer system. Blue is 4 colours to get the usual base/wash/layer/highlight. The red guns are the same. Another for the trim. Purity seals are red and tan, so another 3 for the tan. White and black for mixing, white also for tactical marks. Set of 3 browns. At least two silvers and black wash, plus a couple of golds (using brown wash) for the metallics. It adds up.

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 Snrub wrote:

Also quick question to those who might know.

I know previously the GW metallics were lauded as being the best around. Is this still the case or should i keep switching my paints to Vellejo?


The problem with metallics is every paint company (P3, Reaper, Coat D'arms etc.) seems to only have a few that are really good..

Army Painter Gun Metal is Boltgun Metal, Vallejo's Tinny Tin is a slightly Brighter Tin Bitz (it'll darken up with the wash you'll be adding on anyway). After those my favourites (for consistency of paint and ease of use) are Vallejo Old Gold, Reaper Old Bronze, Reaper Blackened Steel and P3 Brass Balls.

To directly answer your question some Vallejo Metallics are good (Tinny Tin) some are not (Chainmail), but there's not much between them and the new GW ones. In order to get a full range of good metallic paints you'll need to look at a number of companies.

   
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 -Loki- wrote:
You'd be surprised. The paints are designed for a 3-4 colour layer system. Blue is 4 colours to get the usual base/wash/layer/highlight. The red guns are the same. Another for the trim. Purity seals are red and tan, so another 3 for the tan. White and black for mixing, white also for tactical marks. Set of 3 browns. At least two silvers and black wash, plus a couple of golds (using brown wash) for the metallics. It adds up.


It does - to 26, not 39, and that's assuming the absolute max as presented, even assuming 4 colors for the trim (when in reality most everyone will be doing the trim in either the golds or whites already available). I stand by my assertion this is an unwieldy, larded-up package.

What they should do - and this is nuts - is let people upload images to their site via a flickr-like pool, and then include the color scheme, so I can click on, Alpharius's uploaded image of a Space Troll or whatever, and there is a button there that automatically adds the colors in it to the cart, like White Knight White, Shat Goblin Green, Hater Hue.

Unfortunately that would require a 2005ish approach to web development, not the 1996 one that GWS prefers.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
orkybenji wrote:
I like this idea. I would have appreciated this when I was a brand new painter.
I wouldn't have, I would have appreciated some proper education in colour theory and how to mix highlights and shades to look the way you want instead of a "paint by numbers" system. It was far too long after I started painting that I learned I could use browns, bones and black to get more realistic looking colours.


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 Snrub wrote:
Get all the paints you could ever need for your army bundled together for the low low price of what you would normally pay anyway.
Honestly, this really boggles my mind and downright makes me feel insulted at times. The idea that we are too stupid to figure out what we want to add to our cart is just... just... wtf. It'd actually make sense if they knocked off 10-20%, but as it is, it's just insulting.

Yes, because this is meant as n insult to experienced painters who know what colours they want, and not aimed at all at little Jimmy who absolutely needs all 39 of the paints GW says he'll need to daub onto his new Space Marines for his ultramarine army.

I think you might want to think about the intended target for some of GW's products, rather than defaulting to "This paint insults me!" otherwise you'll give yourself an aneurism.
I apologise if this is too snappy, I just woke up.

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