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It's also important to keep in mind that just because the Tau keep negotiation on the table, that doesn't necessarily entail altruism. It's sort of diplomacy from the barrel of a gun. In a lot of ways they behave like Mexican drug cartels. They cut you in and make you part of them. They'll come to you with smiling faces to do business, but if you stand against them they respond with shock and awe first strikes that are characteristic of Tau.

The truth about Tau is those who want to believe them to be good will read the new codex and see them as good. Meanwhile, those who want them to be evil will read the new codex and see them as evil.

The rest of us will read the codex and see that they are just about as they should be. Overall they are founded on principles that seem to be naively idealistic in the context of the 40k universe. They believe in peaceful coexistence with others and are willing to use diplomacy instead of violence to get what they want. Even in war enemies are typically treated with respect and the concept of honorable surrender is widely believed in.

At the same time, when the chips are down, the Tau are I afraid to take actions individually or in groups that are only morally justified in the context of the need to serve the Greater Good. Unreasonable foes such as Orks and Tyranids are exterminated wherever encountered. The Tau do exterminate or expell entire populations when they feel the need to, with humans, Eldar and other races specifically feeling the brunt of such tactics within the codex.

Still, these events are generally very limited in the broader scope of Tau conquests. Most of the time the Tau work with those they absorb into their empire, aiding their development and raising their standard of living in exchange for the productivity and obedience of their new subjects. They are even willing to tolerate cultural peculiarities (ie the Kroots' consumption of sentient beings) and incomplete fealty to the Tau empire (ie the Demi-urgs' independant commercial dealings and the open secret of Kroot mercenary work) provided that these actions don't run counter to the interests of the Empire.

So overall, in the context of the 40k universe, the Tau are remarkably benevolent, tolerant and peaceful. But, this being the 40k universe, they are still expansionistic, ruthless and sometimes fanatical.

If you imagine the 40K universe as early medieval Europe and the Imperium as the disintegrating remains of the Roman Empire things start to make a lot of sense. For in our own history, about this time on the eastern fringe of the empire arose a new power. This power took previously fractious primaries and united them in submission to a new faith and its prophet. It instilled into them a manifest destiny and sent them forth on a mission of conquest that would result in it cleaving of great sections of the old Roman Empire. Compared to contemporary Europe, this new empire was far more civilized, tolerant and advanced. It was the Early Muslim empire and though it would als eventually fall to history, it would ultimately be the biggest the constant foil to medieval European civilization.

Simply put, the Tau are an interstellar civilization reminiscent of real world late 19th century-early 20th century colonial empires. Assimilated races are better off (arguably) than under their previous governments, but its obvious the Tau are the principal beneficiaries of the system.

Then again there was the time when the tau asked for aid from the dark eldar. Though it didn't really work out for them, the Idea that they would consider including dark eldar in any thing can't be all that good.

 Arachnid-X wrote:
Then again there was the time when the tau asked for aid from the dark eldar. Though it didn't really work out for them, the Idea that they would consider including dark eldar in any thing can't be all that good.

I loved that incident; that was one hell of a way to show the Tau they still have much to learn.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I did use official 40k fluff. Don't like it? Don't care.

Then you can certainly give me a quote from Codex or rulebook, where it says that Tau sterilize humans.

Even when they do sterilize people in the DW RPG, this is most likely an isolated case. Why? Because that is objectively stupid.

Sterilizing the people of the occupied country/planet/sector is an excuse for rebellion and very short sighted in terms of human resources. Why would ou prevent your laborers from reproducing? Hell if I know. It would be easier, cheaper and less risky to just kill everyone.

Besides, the Codex mentions that humans of the Tau Empire live mostly OK lives, or better than those they led in the Imperium, anyway.

Still sounds awfully a lot like pre-WWI Imperialism to me.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Still sounds awfully a lot like pre-WWI Imperialism to me.

It does because it is very close to just that. The new codex has a nice reference about "the blue mans burden" in regards to the kroots eating habbits.

 taudau wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Still sounds awfully a lot like pre-WWI Imperialism to me.

It does because it is very close to just that. The new codex has a nice reference about "the blue mans burden" in regards to the kroots eating habbits.

Figures.

Lumipon wrote:
Even when they do sterilize people in the DW RPG, this is most likely an isolated case. Why? Because that is objectively stupid.

Sterilizing the people of the occupied country/planet/sector is an excuse for rebellion and very short sighted in terms of human resources. Why would ou prevent your laborers from reproducing? Hell if I know. It would be easier, cheaper and less risky to just kill everyone.

Besides, the Codex mentions that humans of the Tau Empire live mostly OK lives, or better than those they led in the Imperium, anyway.

They do it so that they can have better control. Also, Tau do indoctrination so that the humans see these Tau actions as good. Those who resist disappear. Codexes are biased by their very nature,

 Kroothawk wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I did use official 40k fluff. Don't like it? Don't care.

Then you can certainly give me a quote from Codex or rulebook, where it says that Tau sterilize humans.

How typical. I already posted official fluff quotes. Don't like them? Don't care!

You two just keep fapping to the Mary sue perfect Tau, don't mind me.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Lumipon wrote:
Even when they do sterilize people in the DW RPG, this is most likely an isolated case. Why? Because that is objectively stupid.

Sterilizing the people of the occupied country/planet/sector is an excuse for rebellion and very short sighted in terms of human resources. Why would ou prevent your laborers from reproducing? Hell if I know. It would be easier, cheaper and less risky to just kill everyone.

Besides, the Codex mentions that humans of the Tau Empire live mostly OK lives, or better than those they led in the Imperium, anyway.

They do it so that they can have better control. Also, Tau do indoctrination so that the humans see these Tau actions as good. Those who resist disappear. Codexes are biased by their very nature,

 Kroothawk wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I did use official 40k fluff. Don't like it? Don't care.

Then you can certainly give me a quote from Codex or rulebook, where it says that Tau sterilize humans.

How typical. I already posted official fluff quotes. Don't like them? Don't care!

You two just keep fapping to the Mary sue perfect Tau, don't mind me.

Where did you post that in this thread?

 Shlazaor wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Lumipon wrote:
Even when they do sterilize people in the DW RPG, this is most likely an isolated case. Why? Because that is objectively stupid.

Sterilizing the people of the occupied country/planet/sector is an excuse for rebellion and very short sighted in terms of human resources. Why would ou prevent your laborers from reproducing? Hell if I know. It would be easier, cheaper and less risky to just kill everyone.

Besides, the Codex mentions that humans of the Tau Empire live mostly OK lives, or better than those they led in the Imperium, anyway.

They do it so that they can have better control. Also, Tau do indoctrination so that the humans see these Tau actions as good. Those who resist disappear. Codexes are biased by their very nature,

 Kroothawk wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I did use official 40k fluff. Don't like it? Don't care.

Then you can certainly give me a quote from Codex or rulebook, where it says that Tau sterilize humans.

How typical. I already posted official fluff quotes. Don't like them? Don't care!

You two just keep fapping to the Mary sue perfect Tau, don't mind me.

Where did you post that in this thread?

I posted it in an older thread, Kroothawk participated in that thread. He can't have forgotten. hell the fact that he specifically specifies codexes and rulebooks points out that he remembers.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

 Shlazaor wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Lumipon wrote:
Even when they do sterilize people in the DW RPG, this is most likely an isolated case. Why? Because that is objectively stupid.

Sterilizing the people of the occupied country/planet/sector is an excuse for rebellion and very short sighted in terms of human resources. Why would ou prevent your laborers from reproducing? Hell if I know. It would be easier, cheaper and less risky to just kill everyone.

Besides, the Codex mentions that humans of the Tau Empire live mostly OK lives, or better than those they led in the Imperium, anyway.

They do it so that they can have better control. Also, Tau do indoctrination so that the humans see these Tau actions as good. Those who resist disappear. Codexes are biased by their very nature,

 Kroothawk wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I did use official 40k fluff. Don't like it? Don't care.

Then you can certainly give me a quote from Codex or rulebook, where it says that Tau sterilize humans.

How typical. I already posted official fluff quotes. Don't like them? Don't care!

You two just keep fapping to the Mary sue perfect Tau, don't mind me.

Where did you post that in this thread?

I posted it in an older thread, Kroothawk participated in that thread. He can't have forgotten. hell the fact that he specifically specifies codexes and rulebooks points out that he remembers.

Would you mind reposting for the rest of us?

 Shlazaor wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

 Shlazaor wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Lumipon wrote:
Even when they do sterilize people in the DW RPG, this is most likely an isolated case. Why? Because that is objectively stupid.

Sterilizing the people of the occupied country/planet/sector is an excuse for rebellion and very short sighted in terms of human resources. Why would ou prevent your laborers from reproducing? Hell if I know. It would be easier, cheaper and less risky to just kill everyone.

Besides, the Codex mentions that humans of the Tau Empire live mostly OK lives, or better than those they led in the Imperium, anyway.

They do it so that they can have better control. Also, Tau do indoctrination so that the humans see these Tau actions as good. Those who resist disappear. Codexes are biased by their very nature,

 Kroothawk wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I did use official 40k fluff. Don't like it? Don't care.

Then you can certainly give me a quote from Codex or rulebook, where it says that Tau sterilize humans.

How typical. I already posted official fluff quotes. Don't like them? Don't care!

You two just keep fapping to the Mary sue perfect Tau, don't mind me.

Where did you post that in this thread?

I posted it in an older thread, Kroothawk participated in that thread. He can't have forgotten. hell the fact that he specifically specifies codexes and rulebooks points out that he remembers.

Would you mind reposting for the rest of us?

Two quotes only. I'm not in the mood to deal with crap from Tau fans:

The Sept’s humans (referred to by the Tau as ‘Gue’la’)
adhere not to the Imperial Creed, but to the Tau ideal of
the Greater Good. The Tau teach that the perfect society,
one modelled after the Tau themselves, has a place for every
creature; with every creature in that place, fulfilling their
assigned roles without question, for the good of the Sept as
a whole. Imperial religion is prohibited and the Tau Water
Caste run education (and re-education) programs that instil
an understanding and love of the Greater Good into the
sometimes reluctant gue’la minds. Populations are regularly
sterilised to prevent population growth outstretching Tau
methods of control. Human transgressors against the Greater
Good are not publicly executed, as is the Imperial way, for the
Tau see no need to publicise the fates of those who oppose
them. Instead, such gue’la simply disappear, and it is the
way of the Greater Good to convince oneself that they never
existed at all.

‘What need you understand but the Greater Good? What more than
the Greater Good can hold any concern for you? Ask not where your
husband went. Rather, rejoice that his absence benefits us all!’
–Maskin Quiore, Gue’la Water Caste Liaison

These quotes come from the Deathwatch Core rulebook pg 352.

Please stick to the topic.

Deathwatch is not a Warhammer 40K game and should be discussed in the RPG forum.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

These quotes come from the Deathwatch Core rulebook pg 352.

A small note to add: these cases represent a far-flung Tau "forward colony" in the middle of Imperial territory. And parts of the DW fluff are already ruined by the new codex, so i don't think that it is 100% OK material now.


Also, i think the Tau has a rather faulty policy of expansion. Yeah, it works against backwater planets and underdeveloped/regressed societies, but I fail to see how it could work against another "Tau-like" interstellar empire. Or even against modern 21st century Earth.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I posted it in an older thread, Kroothawk participated in that thread. He can't have forgotten. hell the fact that he specifically specifies codexes and rulebooks points out that he remembers.

I've also posted those quotations for Kroothawk before. The usual response (not just from Kroothawk) is two-tiered: (1) it's FFG so it somehow doesn't "count" and (2) even if it does count these Tau are somehow unique and their example offers no insight into Tau generally. Weak stuff, IMO. Why wouldn't Tau sterilize human populations? I don't understand why certain Tau fans are so unwilling to accept that. For one thing, the Tau themselves would not see anything wrong with doing so since in Tau society the state seems to control reproduction. From a human perspective, the Tau definitely have a totalitarian society. From a Tau perspective, who knows? Maybe they enjoy that lifestyle and find it comforting whereas humans find it sinister.


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 AtoMaki wrote:
A small note to add: these cases represent a far-flung Tau "forward colony" in the middle of Imperial territory. And parts of the DW fluff are already ruined by the new codex, so i don't think that it is 100% OK material now.

LOL both of the arguments I cited posted while I was typing the post. Wonderful!

 AtoMaki wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

These quotes come from the Deathwatch Core rulebook pg 352.

A small note to add: these cases represent a far-flung Tau "forward colony" in the middle of Imperial territory.

Its not really Imperial territory. It used to be. Now its just a warzone.. And how does that change anything?

And parts of the DW fluff are already ruined by the new codex, so i don't think that it is 100% OK material now.

Explain? And unless it gets cancelled, its still a part of the official fluff. FFG is tied to all the 40k fluff as I've mentioned before here:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Relic actually admitted their games take place during an alternate timeline. They're canon in and of themselves, but not with the greater 40k fluff, at least according to the people that actually wrote them. This goes for Space Marine as well.

I may have missed something but unless I'm mistaken, that only applies to the Space Marine video game which.

DOW still applies to greater 40k fluff, though I'm sure Lynata will come in saying there is no canon, which is true, by posting his quotes and then starts bitching about the codexes .

Anyway, here is what i have to say about this topic:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I voted for "Rulebook + Codexes + Black Library + FFG + DOW, etc" cause it and "Everything... yet nothing" are the same.

Anyway I will put this to you, the 6th edition rulebook has this on the galaxy map:


As you can see, the galaxy map has the Calixis sector on it. Calixis sector was created by FFG. FFG features the Blood Ravens and Red Scorpion in their Deathwatch rpg. They will also feature the Tanith First and Only in their Only War rpg.

The Different FFG settings are all linked together. Blood Ravens are from the DOW games. Red Scorpions are from FW. Tanith first and only are from BL.

So ergo, All FFG material, FW, DOW and BL are canon.

The only thing I have an exception in not taking is the crap written by Goto. I will accept it, with reluctance! I believe in taking the video game fluff as was shown in the video games over the novels written by Goto for the video games.

Anyway, new fluff takes precedence and even retcons older fluff.

Also, i think the Tau has a rather faulty policy of expansion. Yeah, it works against backwater planets and underdeveloped/regressed societies, but I fail to see how it could work against another "Tau-like" interstellar empire. Or even against modern 21st century Earth.

Tau diplomacy is nothing really special. Its similar to what GC did with the negotiations and viled threats and then invasion when the other parts fail. The only difference is that the Tau take their time whereas GC was done in a hurry.


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 Manchu wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I posted it in an older thread, Kroothawk participated in that thread. He can't have forgotten. hell the fact that he specifically specifies codexes and rulebooks points out that he remembers.

I've also posted those quotations for Kroothawk before. The usual response (not just from Kroothawk) is two-tiered: (1) it's FFG so it somehow doesn't "count" and (2) even if it does count these Tau are somehow unique and their example offers no insight into Tau generally. Weak stuff, IMO. Why wouldn't Tau sterilize human populations? I don't understand why certain Tau fans are so unwilling to accept that. For one thing, the Tau themselves would not see anything wrong with doing so since in Tau society the state seems to control reproduction. From a human perspective, the Tau definitely have a totalitarian society. From a Tau perspective, who knows? Maybe they enjoy that lifestyle and find it comforting whereas humans find it sinister.

Cause of the below:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

As much as I mock Tau and as flawed as humanity is, at least most Tau and Human leaders can be given credit in that they rarely see themselves as essentially gods-- the ones that do rarely last long (see Vandire). Hell, even the Emperor tried to refuse that he was a god (although how successful he was at not giving in to the god complex is up to interpretation). The Emperor was an inherently flawed being, but at least he TRIED to remind himself to be humble through telling himself and others that he's not a god, while many primarchs didn't even bother to make the attempt, relishing in their own supposed superiority.

The Tau are perfect! Old tau fluff and Tau fans say so! Anything else is just vile retcons !!! Anything that could force the Tau to not be good and act ruthless is evil ! The Tau are perfect so thus when a Tau speaks, everyone (including orks) should bow and kiss Tau ass.

I guess the obvious out with the new codex would be the individualism shown by many of the Tau. Remember, Brightsword was excommunicated by the large Tau Empire for his ruthless tactics against humans. I think saying the Tau have sterilized humans is perfectly viable but its a stretch to extend that to the Tau Empire as a whole (which what most of us automatically do when people reference Tau even if they aren't talking about all Tau. Which is awesome now that I think about it given the Tau society. )

But we explicitly know the Firecaste is the product of eugenics. The Tau state does regulate reproduction among Tau. The Tau, unlike 21st-century humans, do not seem to regard this practice as morally offensive.

 Shlazaor wrote:
I guess the obvious out with the new codex would be the individualism shown by many of the Tau. Remember, Brightsword was excommunicated by the large Tau Empire for his ruthless tactics against humans. I think saying the Tau have sterilized humans is perfectly viable but its a stretch to extend that to the Tau Empire as a whole (which what most of us automatically do when people reference Tau even if they aren't talking about all Tau. Which is awesome now that I think about it given the Tau society. )

And The Tau in Deathwatch don't have individualism? They have named characters after all. Tau firewarriors aren't show to be individuals cause they are people you kill in the rpg's .

The Tau sterilize humans for population control cause huge amounts of humans apparently makes it hard for the Tau to control and in the case of the DOW games, get rid of rebellious humans.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Its not really Imperial territory. It used to be. Now its just a warzone.. And how does that change anything?

My point is that they are separated from the Tau Empire, and in the middle of a pretty hostile territory. .

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Explain? And unless it gets cancelled, its still a part of the official fluff. FFG is tied to all the 40k fluff as I've mentioned before here:

Ion weapons, Broadsides in general, Fire Caste progression in ranks, the Ethereals, the Kroot, etc. These things are now just plain wrong in the FFG books.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Tau diplomacy is nothing really special. Its similar to what GC did with the negotiations and viled threats and then invasion when the other parts fail. The only difference is that the Tau take their time whereas GC was done in a hurry.

Yeah, but they will be still screwed against any other "modern" empires. Especially if this other empire also likes to take the aggressive approach, and gives the Tau a taste of their own medicine.

 AtoMaki wrote:
My point is that they are separated from the Tau Empire, and in the middle of a pretty hostile territory.

We have an example of a renegade Tau sub-society (the Farsight Enclaves) and the Tau described in DW are nothing like that. Indeed, they seem to be Codex Tau -- just with more details given this is a RPG rather than war game.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

 Shlazaor wrote:
I guess the obvious out with the new codex would be the individualism shown by many of the Tau. Remember, Brightsword was excommunicated by the large Tau Empire for his ruthless tactics against humans. I think saying the Tau have sterilized humans is perfectly viable but its a stretch to extend that to the Tau Empire as a whole (which what most of us automatically do when people reference Tau even if they aren't talking about all Tau. Which is awesome now that I think about it given the Tau society. )

And The Tau in Deathwatch don't have individualism? They have named characters after all.

The Tau sterilize humans for population control cause huge amounts of humans apparently makes it hard for the Tau to control and in the case of the DOW games, get rid of rebellious humans.

I think you missed my point. Your first point is my point. Those Tau in DW do have individualism but based on what we know of the Tau Empire as a whole and what they have done to other people that have acted with such ruthlessness towards humans its very difficult to generalize those Tau to the greater Tau Empire.

I remember that line at the end of Dark Crusade and it was very subjective/rumor oriented. I really do buy that there is some legitimacy to the DW (unless Kroothawk comes in with a better arguement) but for now I would be really hard pressed to buy that one subjective line at the end of DC as legitimate evidence.

 AtoMaki wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Its not really Imperial territory. It used to be. Now its just a warzone.. And how does that change anything?

My point is that they are separated from the Tau Empire, and in the middle of a pretty hostile territory.

Actually, the jericho reach map shows the Tau to be south of a lot of the nastiness. Infact, its the Imperium that deals with a lot of the nastiness. And how does that show what Tau do with humans part of their empire who disagree with them or are all humans in Tau land unrealisticly 100% and no dissension happens at all?

And the sterilization thing is population control.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Explain? And unless it gets cancelled, its still a part of the official fluff. FFG is tied to all the 40k fluff as I've mentioned before here:

Ion weapons, Broadsides in general, Fire Caste progression in ranks, the Ethereals, the Kroot, etc. These things are now just plain wrong in the FFG books.

More detail please. I will find out the data and post them when I find the time(from the rpg's).

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Tau diplomacy is nothing really special. Its similar to what GC did with the negotiations and viled threats and then invasion when the other parts fail. The only difference is that the Tau take their time whereas GC was done in a hurry.

Yeah, but they will be still screwed against any other "modern" empires. Especially if this other empire also likes to take the aggressive approach, and gives the Tau a taste of their own medicine.

Unlikely to happen, Tau have been very lucky from what I've seen.

 AtoMaki wrote:
Ion weapons, Broadsides in general, Fire Caste progression in ranks, the Ethereals, the Kroot, etc. These things are now just plain wrong in the FFG books.

You'll need to be much more specific in order to support the argument that the new dex completely invalidates the DW corebook. Regarding the particular topic, there is nothing in the new dex that contradicts the DW corebook reference to sterilizing human populations. Indeed, the new dex makes specific reference to selective breeding policies vis-a-vis the Firecaste.

 Manchu wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
My point is that they are separated from the Tau Empire, and in the middle of a pretty hostile territory.

We have an example of a renegade Tau sub-society (the Farsight Enclaves) and the Tau described in DW are nothing like that. Indeed, they seem to Codex Tau -- just with more details given this is a RPG rather than war game.

The Farsight Enclave is also Codex Tau, but without Ethereals (probably). No real differences here. And the Velk'han Sept (the Tau "mini-empire) is pretty much cut off from the homeland because they are literally on the opposite side of the galaxy.

 Manchu wrote:
You'll need to be much more specific in order to support the argument that the new dex completely invalidates the DW corebook.

Oh come, on just look up the Tau stuff in Deathwatch and Mark of Xeno. The retconned stuff is right there. You don't even have to look so hard. Shoulder mounted railguns on Broadsides (no mention of HYMP), one-stat-line ion weapons, all sorts of "alternate" Fire caste progression instead of the streamlined version in the new codex... The FFG fluff is just obsolete... And thus it cannot be taken as 100% canon.

The fact that they are separated by a great distance does not mean that they must have distinct practices regarding subject species.

 Shlazaor wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

 Shlazaor wrote:
I guess the obvious out with the new codex would be the individualism shown by many of the Tau. Remember, Brightsword was excommunicated by the large Tau Empire for his ruthless tactics against humans. I think saying the Tau have sterilized humans is perfectly viable but its a stretch to extend that to the Tau Empire as a whole (which what most of us automatically do when people reference Tau even if they aren't talking about all Tau. Which is awesome now that I think about it given the Tau society. )

And The Tau in Deathwatch don't have individualism? They have named characters after all.

The Tau sterilize humans for population control cause huge amounts of humans apparently makes it hard for the Tau to control and in the case of the DOW games, get rid of rebellious humans.

I think you missed my point. Your first point is my point. Those Tau in DW do have individualism but based on what we know of the Tau Empire as a whole and what they have done to other people that have acted with such ruthlessness towards humans its very difficult to generalize those Tau to the greater Tau Empire.

this is what a poster on Warseer has to say about New tau fluff:

- Tau are described as far more ruthless than in previous fluff. Gone are the days of "nice Tau". They are out to carve and Empire and the method is to kick ass and annihilate cultures. Yes, they still send Water caste to offer a sweet deal first and if it seems to work, they'll take their time, but if the alien world does not surrender will be bombed to stone-age and beyond. There is also several mentions of Tau destroying whole planets and conducting genocide on races that don't surrender. They are still described to be somewhat nicer than Imperium, but just barely.

- The Ethereal control over Tau is described as being total. "Were an Ethereal to order a Tau to kill himself, he would be met with instant obedience."

I remember that line at the end of Dark Crusade and it was very subjective/rumor oriented. I really do buy that there is some legitimacy to the DW (unless Kroothawk comes in with a better arguement) but for now I would be really hard pressed to buy that one subjective line at the end of DC as legitimate evidence.

See my post with the map.


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 AtoMaki wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
My point is that they are separated from the Tau Empire, and in the middle of a pretty hostile territory.

We have an example of a renegade Tau sub-society (the Farsight Enclaves) and the Tau described in DW are nothing like that. Indeed, they seem to Codex Tau -- just with more details given this is a RPG rather than war game.

The Farsight Enclave is also Codex Tau, but without Ethereals (probably). No real differences here. And the Velk'han Sept (the Tau "mini-empire) is pretty much cut off from the homeland because they are literally on the opposite side of the galaxy.

no it isn't. The jericho reach in in the Eastern Fringe(Ultima Segmentum) The same segmentum as the Tau empire.


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Oh god! Why the hell am I allowing myself to be drawn into this gak again . I'm bugging out. Will not post gak from DW as i promised. I'm done with this thread.