Frazzled wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
One thing that I do wonder, however, is will there be anything done to follow up on the prisons and the people who gave him the money in the first place?

Most likely?

Not very much. These "juvenile" oriented private facilities tend to make me veeeeeeeeeery skeptical when you start seeing specific judges funneling offenders to them.
That's not to say that every instance will be exactly like this one, as in some cases the judges might be fond of an alternative facility due to some kind of specific program that they have (a drug rehabilitation program, work oriented programs, etc) but it has a high potential for abuse especially in the case of juvenile offenders where there's an air of frustration surrounding the parents of the child.

Kanny I've not heard about this before. What is this?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
One thing that I do wonder, however, is will there be anything done to follow up on the prisons and the people who gave him the money in the first place?

Most likely?

Not very much. These "juvenile" oriented private facilities tend to make me veeeeeeeeeery skeptical when you start seeing specific judges funneling offenders to them.
That's not to say that every instance will be exactly like this one, as in some cases the judges might be fond of an alternative facility due to some kind of specific program that they have (a drug rehabilitation program, work oriented programs, etc) but it has a high potential for abuse especially in the case of juvenile offenders where there's an air of frustration surrounding the parents of the child.

Kanny I've not heard about this before. What is this?

Which part?

The "juvenile oriented private facilities" is directly related to this case. Ciavarella received kickbacks from the builder of a pair of private juvenile detention centers in exchange for Ciavarella funneling 'offenders' to the facilities.

 Frazzled wrote:
That part. What are these juvenile oriented private facilities?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
One thing that I do wonder, however, is will there be anything done to follow up on the prisons and the people who gave him the money in the first place?

Most likely?

Not very much. These "juvenile" oriented private facilities tend to make me veeeeeeeeeery skeptical when you start seeing specific judges funneling offenders to them.
That's not to say that every instance will be exactly like this one, as in some cases the judges might be fond of an alternative facility due to some kind of specific program that they have (a drug rehabilitation program, work oriented programs, etc) but it has a high potential for abuse especially in the case of juvenile offenders where there's an air of frustration surrounding the parents of the child.

Kanny I've not heard about this before. What is this?

Which part?

The "juvenile oriented private facilities" is directly related to this case. Ciavarella received kickbacks from the builder of a pair of private juvenile detention centers in exchange for Ciavarella funneling 'offenders' to the facilities.

That part. What are these juvenile oriented private facilities?

 azazel the cat wrote:

whembly wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
I'm glad this monster is finally being put away, and for a long time at that. There are very few things I would consider to be objectively evil. What he did is one of them.

Agreed... if he goes in the prison's general population... he won't last long.

I don't want this to devolve into a 'captalism caused this' thing... but where was the oversight? If government is going to offload some services to a private business, then it's incumbent that the government has oversight over said service.

He won't go into gen pop. That much is a given. However, that's really no better for him (good).

And this isn't a "capitalism caused this" thing. While there are capitalist principles at the root of this, capitalism is not the alpha and omega of this problem; rather, it is endemic to any necessary institution when there is a conflict of interest. Because...

Grey Templar wrote:This wasn't an issue with privatization. It's an issue with corruption of a government official. It just happened to involve a privatized prison.

If not this he probably would have done some other crooked thing.

No, this was most definitely an issue with privatization. There is a massive conflict of interest created anytime profit becomes the driving force of an authoritarian institution, because that profit entirely changes the very purpose and motivation behind the prison institution. Generally speaking, you can view the goal of the prison to be threefold (the weight to each element will vary in any given society): rehabilitation, punishment, and deterrence.

The vast majority of First-World (sorry, Ratbarf) countries now focus on rehabilitation, for various reasons, which are not necessary to get into just now, but if you're legitimately curious I'd be happy to explain either via PM or another thread. Deterrence is another element, in both specific and general forms: that is, it is a specific deterrence in that the individual offender is locked away and thus unable to harm society further, and it is a general deterrence in the sense that it serves as a warning to others not to repeat the offender's bad actions. And then finally, there is punishment. The punishment aspect of prison has all but been abolished (at least as an intentional effect) in the vast majority of Western prison institutions, because other than a malevolent feeling that is mistaken for justice, it serves no purpose other than cruelty. In other words, two wrongs do not make a right; and the heinousness of a prison institution has very little effect on its ability to serve as a deterrent; sometimes even having the opposite effect for various reasons which are also not pertinent at this time, but I would be happy to explain as well via PM or separate thread.