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The thing is aside from the Tankhunter, all these units can be taken in a Merovingian sectorial.
If you want to use your Tankhunter, you need to go vanilla and then, you can only take 2 of these Loup Garou and 2 of these Metros.

Here's the lists of what you could do without proxying (at some point, you might need to proxy in order to use some loadouts) :

FORCE DE RR MEROVINGIENNE
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GROUP 1 10 0 0

MÉTRO Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (8)
MÉTRO Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (8)
MÉTRO Rifle, Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
PARA-COMMANDO HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 32)
ZOUAVE Rifle, D.E.P. / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
MOBLOT Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (28)
LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (21)
LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (21)
LOUP-GAROU Boarding Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (19)
LOUP-GAROU Boarding Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (19)

2 SWC | 189 Points

Open with Army 4





ARIADNA
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GROUP 1 8 0 0

MÉTRO Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (8)
MÉTRO Rifle, Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
PARA-COMMANDO HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 32)
LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (21)
LOUP-GAROU Boarding Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (19)
ZOUAVE Rifle, D.E.P. / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
MOBLOT Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (28)
TANKHUNTER Autocannon, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 40)

3.5 SWC | 181 Points

Open with Army 4


Choose a lieutenant from either rifle metros, moblot or zouave.

With proxying or giving some abilities to those models that can, you can easily reach 200 points with both lists.

Briscards have a Lieutenant option as well.

Swapping the Loup Garou box+blister for the Briscard+HRL is viable as well. Just saying.

And they also look really good =)
Note that if you indeed go with the Merovingian sectorial, you might find it hard to get only a single 10 man group at 300 points.

How does it work going beyond 10 models in your force? I was reading a little about it and you need to split it up somehow, but what are the disadvantages of that?

Thanks for those lists, Von Skyfury. I really want to figure this stuff out before I start buying things.





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I'm really just looking to make the smartest purchases to start out, so I don't end up with models that never get used.


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also, what size bases does the game use?

 bbb wrote:
How does it work going beyond 10 models in your force? I was reading a little about it and you need to split it up somehow, but what are the disadvantages of that?

Once you hit 10 models, the next 10 models are in their own "group".

IIRC, Orders generated by one group can only be used by models within that group.

Haven't read the rulebook/played in awhile so that one is slipping my mind as I'm getting ready to go see a movie atm.

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I'm really just looking to make the smartest purchases to start out, so I don't end up with models that never get used.

Pretty much any model in your collection will inevitably see use. This isn't a game where you generally will make one set list and "stick to it" at all times. You want to swap things up here and there with the guys you play with, to keep them on their toes.

also, what size bases does the game use?

25mm("infantryman" sized bases for 40k) and 40mm(Terminator sized bases) bases for the most part, with TAGs usually being on 60mm bases.

You can have no more than 10 models in a group (but you can have more than one group).

Disadvantage #1: Orders do not transfer between groups. Group #1's orders cannot be used on Group#2+ models and vice versa. Exception being the LT special order that can be used to auto pass a guts check, or create a link team in another group (since it's 1 Lt model per ARMY, not group).

If you have 11 models, they will need to be split into at least 10+1. Unless that 1 model is a total-reaction remote, that model isn't going to be doing much. Downside of 11 models is that you end up with two groups without enough orders.

Unfortunately you can not use all the Loup Garou figures in a General Ariadna force. It is limited to 2 figures. If you do a Merovingian sectoral force you can up to 5. But then you can not take a tank hunter. But leaving out the tankhunter, that alone gives you a 200pt list and is a good start.

I've made a few more lists with additions to 250pts. and 300pts.

FORCE DE RR MEROVINGIENNE
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GROUP 1 10 0 0

MÉTRO Lieutenant Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (8)
MÉTRO Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (8)
MÉTRO Rifle, Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
PARA-COMMANDO HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 32)
LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (21)
LOUP-GAROU Boarding Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (19)
LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22)
LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (21)
ZOUAVE Rifle, D.E.P., E/Mauler / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
MOBLOT Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (28)

4 SWC | 198 Points

Open with Army 4





To go up to 250pts you could add three blisters: Metro with HMG, Metro with DEP, and Loup-Garou with Sniper Rifle

FORCE DE RR MEROVINGIENNE
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GROUP 1 6 0 0

MÉTRO Lieutenant Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (8)
MÉTRO Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (8)
MÉTRO Rifle, Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
MÉTRO HMG / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
MÉTRO (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 12)
PARA-COMMANDO HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 32)

GROUP 2 7 0 0

LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (21)
LOUP-GAROU Boarding Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (19)
LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22)
LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (21)
LOUP-GAROU Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
MOBLOT Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (28)
ZOUAVE Rifle, D.E.P. / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)

5 SWC | 248 Points

Open with Army 4





To make it to 300pts you can add a 112 Emergency Service, Moblot with Panzerfaust, and a Metro that you already got when you buy a Metro with DEP.

FORCE DE RR MEROVINGIENNE
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GROUP 1 7 0 0

MÉTRO Lieutenant Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (8)
MÉTRO Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (8)
MÉTRO Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (8)
MÉTRO Rifle, Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
MÉTRO HMG / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
MÉTRO (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 12)
PARA-COMMANDO HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 32)

GROUP 2 9 0 0

LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (21)
LOUP-GAROU Boarding Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (19)
LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 22)
LOUP-GAROU Viral Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (21)
LOUP-GAROU Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
MOBLOT Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (28)
MOBLOT Panzerfaust, Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
ZOUAVE Rifle, D.E.P. / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
112 Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (12)

6 SWC | 299 Points

Open with Army 4

THANKS!

I was looking over the lists from the Infinity website last night and I'm starting to understand how the lists are built and the differences between the sectorials. So I'd be able to use anything from those lists in a vanilla list, but I'd be limited to 2 each of metros, loup-garou and moblots, is that correct?


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so it looks like the Loup-Garou with ADHL doesn't get used in those lists you made. is it a poor choice compaired to the Viral Rifle?

Correct.

The ADHL is great actually but I just went with what's in the box. You can certainly proxy it. ADHL is shorter range I believe and it's only one shot. BUT instead of rolling ARM the defender need to roll PH at -6! It doesn't kill them, it just immobilizes them.

Actually, in the Loup Garou box, you get 2 viral rifle, 1 boarding shotgun and 1 ADHL.
The ADHL profile wields a boarding shotgun so you get 2 of each type.

And Moblots are AVA 3 in Vanilla Ariadna.

I had a chance to download the army lists and I've printed them out so I can reference them. After looking things over I'm thinking about picking up the MRRF starter and the Briscard box. I can field an even 200 pts with that.

[ unit type ] [ equipment ] [ swc ] [ pts ]
[ Metro ] [ Rifle ] [ 0 ] [ 8 ]
[ Metro ] [ Rifle, Light GL ] [ 0.5 ] [ 13 ]
[ Moblot ] [ Rifle, Light Shotgun ] [ 0 ] [ 28 ]
[ Para-commando ] [ HMG ] [ 1 ] [ 32 ]
[ Zouave ] [ rifle, Assault Pistol, D.E.P ] [ 0.5 ] [ 20 ]
[ Briscard ] [ Marksman Rifle, Assault Pistol, Knife ] [ 0 ] [ 24 ]
[ Briscard ] [ Marksman Rifle, Assault Pistol, Knife ] [ 0 ] [ 24 ]
[ Briscard ] [ Marksman Rifle, Assault Pistol, Knife ] [ 0 ] [ 24 ]
[ Briscard ] [ Sniper rifle, Pistol, Knife ] [ 1 ] [ 27 ]

So 9 models, 3 swc and 200 pts even.

From there I think I would pick up the Tankhunter with autocannon (because I really like the model) and the 112 Emergency Service. I could field the following as a vanilla list with the following.

[ unit type ] [ equipment ] [ swc ] [ pts ]
[ Metro ] [ Rifle ] [ 0 ] [ 8 ]
[ Metro ] [ Rifle ] [ 0 ] [ 8 ]
[ Moblot ] [ Rifle, Light Shotgun ] [ 0 ] [ 28 ]
[ Para-commando ] [ HMG ] [ 1 ] [ 32 ]
[ Zouave ] [ rifle, Assault Pistol, D.E.P ] [ 0.5 ] [ 20 ]
[ Briscard ] [ Marksman Rifle, Assault Pistol, Knife ] [ 0 ] [ 24 ]
[ Briscard ] [ Sniper rifle, Pistol, Knife ] [ 1 ] [ 27 ]
[ Tank Hunter ] [ Autocannon, d-charges ] [ 1.5 ] [ 40 ]
[ 112 Emergency Service ] [ light shotgun ] [ 0 ] [ 12 ]

9 models, 4 swc and 199 pts

Are both those lists valid, or did I miss any details of list building? Would they make good lists to start with?

You need one Lt. on an army list.

For vanilla Ariadna, there's also no hard in proxying your Metros for Line Kazaks so that you can use all of them. Barring ITS tournaments, most opponents won't mind.

You also mentioned liking the SAS models. I think you can use two of them in vanilla Ariadna lists, so might as well get those too!

The things to keep track of:

1) Must have Lt.
A) if you are really ballsy I guess you could start a game in Loss of Lieutenant. I'm not sure if that is even allowed.
2) AVA of troops can change depending on list
3) SWC is .5 pts for every 50pts in the game. So 300pts is 6 SWC allowed.
4) Official Mercs are only allowed in certain Sectoral lists or in friendly games.

Thanks, guys. I know I have to select a Lt, but I don't know enough to choose which one it would be yet. The Moblot, Metros, Zouave and Briscard have Lt options, so I could choose from any of them.

As far as the lists go, are they good to take on most challenges, or do I have any big deficiencies?

If these are good starts I would probably expand with some Loup-Garou and/or SAS next, but I would hopefully wait till I had played a little first.

When choosing a Lt., there are two options:

1) The Hidden Lt.

Remember that you don't have to tell your opponent who your Lt. is, so having multiple profiles that could be Lt. options will hide who your Lt. is (having multiple Metros with the same loadout as the Metro Lt. Or having basic loadouts from different units that have the Lt. option). This is good because losing your lieutenant can cost you a game in Infinity.

2) The Obvious Lt.

Some Lt. options (like Saladin) needs to be used as an LT. in order to maximize their potential. Use an obvious Lt. if you plan on getting a tough unit as Lt. (preferably one with multiple wounds) so that he/she can fight in the front lines and use that extra Lt. order in damaging your opponent. Never a fan of this option, unless there's a Chain of Command unit somewhere in your list.

First things first, buy the awesomest TAG model out there, the Lizard.

 CDK wrote:
The things to keep track of:

1) Must have Lt.
A) if you are really ballsy I guess you could start a game in Loss of Lieutenant. I'm not sure if that is even allowed.
2) AVA of troops can change depending on list
3) SWC is .5 pts for every 50pts in the game. So 300pts is 6 SWC allowed.
4) Official Mercs are only allowed in certain Sectoral lists or in friendly games.

1. Correct.
1A. It IS allowed. Not recommended, but it is allowed. Chain-of-command DOES not kick in unless the Lt is unconscious or dead. Hidden doesn't count for this.
2. Correct. AVA changes between main faction and sectorials.
3. Correct.
4). Correct. For ITS matches, only the lists allowed to take mercs may take them (usually sectorials - but in ITS4, non-sectorials are allowed to take the Authorised Bounty Hunter mercs whilst sectorial armies cannot). In a friendly, non-ITS match - or campaign game - mercs are allowed.

If you are playing a campaign some mercs arent allowed with some armies. The one that comes to mind is scarface and cordelia and druze cannot be used in any Ariadna army that contains a highlander figure... and fair enough too. There is a list in the back of Paradiso for the rest

Late vote for Yu Jing!

You'll do alright with Ariadna though!

 Kanluwen wrote:

also, what size bases does the game use?

25mm("infantryman" sized bases for 40k) and 40mm(Terminator sized bases) bases for the most part, with TAGs usually being on 60mm bases.

No. The only bases are 25mm, 40mm and 80mm. 25mm for infantry, 40mm for robots and tags and big dudes, such as a dog-warrior and the 80mm for the Maghariba Guard.

The things to keep track of:

1) Must have Lt.
A) if you are really ballsy I guess you could start a game in Loss of Lieutenant. I'm not sure if that is even allowed.
2) AVA of troops can change depending on list
3) SWC is .5 pts for every 50pts in the game. So 300pts is 6 SWC allowed.
4) Official Mercs are only allowed in certain Sectoral lists or in friendly games.[/quote}
1. Yes
1A). Yes, you can. Examples: Van Zant Lt using Tactical Jump.
2) AVA can change from vanilla to Sectorial. Example Haqqislam Ghulam AVA T, Hassassin Ghulam AVA 4.
3) SWC is 1 SWC per 50 pts. 300 pts has 6 SWC.
4) Usually yes. Authorized Bounty hunter is an exception. It is allowed in vanilla lists and Imperial Service for AVA 3.

Picked up my first models this weekend and started a P&M Blog to track my progress on the models and the city terrain I'm working on for Infinity.

FRRM and Briscards boxes.



http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/531066.page

 bbb wrote:
Picked up my first models this weekend and started a P&M Blog to track my progress on the models and the city terrain I'm working on for Infinity.

FRRM and Briscards boxes.



http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/531066.page

There is currently an infinity painting competition - check out the P&M forum/the main Dakka page for information. If you don't mind not putting up pictures of one of your models, you could enter (and then post the pictures after the contest ).

Good luck on the journey! You might find these threads useful:
Community Pledging
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