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Wraithknights or dreadknights? I honestly can't tell the difference between the units GW is putting out these days... I think you'd get more fun out of forge world's line.

On a side note, is it just me or is their something wrong with the wraithknight's aesthetic? It's a bit large sure, but what bothers me is that it looks too much like a large eldar in a suit. The wraithlord at least looks like a machine, as do dreadnaughts, titans, etc. It just looks too much like a hi-tech gun-dam suit on a giant elf.

I dont know guys..
On the one hand, 115$ for the Must Have model is a bit hard on the wallet, but ive been saving my money for a LONG time now and I am looking forward to a big centerpiece for my eldar.
On the other hand, for the new player...man the cost of getting into the Eldar is pretty steep.
But then again, how much did we spend on our PS3's?

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
I dont know guys..
On the one hand, 115$ for the Must Have model is a bit hard on the wallet, but ive been saving my money for a LONG time now and I am looking forward to a big centerpiece for my eldar.
On the other hand, for the new player...man the cost of getting into the Eldar is pretty steep.
But then again, how much did we spend on our PS3's?

In fact, its a big investment. But as said it can become a centerpiece of an Eldar army. So it may be worthwhile.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
I dont know guys..
On the one hand, 115$ for the Must Have model is a bit hard on the wallet, but ive been saving my money for a LONG time now and I am looking forward to a big centerpiece for my eldar.
On the other hand, for the new player...man the cost of getting into the Eldar is pretty steep.
But then again, how much did we spend on our PS3's?

$115 for a Iron Man action figure is insane. The Vampire is a centerpiece. If you're going to drop cash on something beautiful buy FW, not a stupid anime doll.

The cost for a new player to get into any army is steep... actually at this point I'd say it's impractical.

$0. I went for Xbox 360... that I bought last April. So $99 for the box... $60 for live... $60 for CoDMW3... oh yeah and a $15 headset.

I have spent more time on CoDMW3 than I have at work. I've played maybe 10 games of 40k in the past 5 years. So the Xbox was a much better investment.

Plus microsoft doesn't come out with a new system every 2 years that has the same games with different buttons (see: 40k editions).

KaiyaA wrote:

RageQuitRabbit wrote:
I bought 10 Dire Avengers yesterday, because they're still the old price. Going from $73 NZD for 10, to $64 NZD for 5.

The Wraith models are awesome and are at a great price, I thought they'd at least be Terminator prices.

The Wraithknight IMO annoys me, I thought it would be the Eldar riptide.

I like selling Vypers and War Walkers in 3's at a discount.

Overall, I'm kinda surprised they'res not too many new models although they already have tons. It would be pretty cool if they release a second wave.

Wait 64 New Zealand Dollars for the new Dire Avengers box? That's even more expensive than here in Europe! What's up with that?

Yea, *sigh* I looked on currency conveters and its about 40 euros. How much is a box there?

RageQuitRabbit wrote:

KaiyaA wrote:

RageQuitRabbit wrote:
I bought 10 Dire Avengers yesterday, because they're still the old price. Going from $73 NZD for 10, to $64 NZD for 5.

The Wraith models are awesome and are at a great price, I thought they'd at least be Terminator prices.

The Wraithknight IMO annoys me, I thought it would be the Eldar riptide.

I like selling Vypers and War Walkers in 3's at a discount.

Overall, I'm kinda surprised they'res not too many new models although they already have tons. It would be pretty cool if they release a second wave.

Wait 64 New Zealand Dollars for the new Dire Avengers box? That's even more expensive than here in Europe! What's up with that?

Yea, *sigh* I looked on currency conveters and its about 40 euros. How much is a box there?

The new DA box will contain 5 models, and I guess all weapon combinations.

People have been converting Eldar Guardians into Aspect Warriors for years. This move with the Dire Avengers is just further encouragement - how long do you think it'll be before some enterprising sculptor starts selling "plumed space elf heads"?

Shards of Basalt wrote:
People have been converting Eldar Guardians into Aspect Warriors for years. This move with the Dire Avengers is just further encouragement - how long do you think it'll be before some enterprising sculptor starts selling "plumed space elf heads"?

Well, Dire Avengers can be quite well proxied by Guardian Defenders.

Also looks like they're no longer relevant, Guardians have the same statline (bar -1sv, -6" range) for 3pts cheaper. No Bladestorm (as in assault 3 catapults), no twin Catapults on the Exarch (only twin linked now).

For those who have them already they can just be run as Defenders no problem.

As an Ulthwé player the changes makes me happy

 Farseer_Kaiser wrote:
Also looks like they're no longer relevant, Guardians have the same statline (bar -1sv, -6" range) for 3pts cheaper. No Bladestorm (as in assault 3 catapults), no twin Catapults on the Exarch (only twin linked now).

For those who have them already they can just be run as Defenders no problem.

As an Ulthwé player the changes makes me happy

Guardian Defender were always point fillers in Eldar armies (bar Ulthwe). But generally you have to assign them a Warlock with embolden. Otherwise, they might run too early. This happened to one of my opponents in a GT final, where I played CSM and shot his Guardian unit with reaper autocannons (only once). They failed the morale check and ran off the board.

I'm pretty disappointed in the Eldar release too (has nothing to do with the rules though). As a Dark Eldar player I was hoping the new release would make me want to pick up some Eldar models to work in as allies on the way to building a full Eldar army. Not gonna happen.

It's just the models. Sure the ones being released are fine (the Spiritseer is super dull, waste of a sculpt IMO), expensive but fine. The real problem is practically none of the models are getting redone. I'm not going to start up Eldar when most of the models I would want are either fugly (Warp Spiders, Firedragons, Swooping Hawks, Reapers), or boring (warlocks, Guardians, DA, Scorpions, Jetbikes).
The Vehicles are good and didn't need redoing, Harliquins and Banshees are still good, as is Yiriel (sp?) and a couple of the farseers and some Phoenix Lords. Everything else needs to be redone IMO.

The other thing that I don't like is the blatant merging of Apoc with regular 40k. The move to 6th ed started it with Fliers, Allies, and multiple FOCs. Now the Superheavies are being put into regular games too... great. I can't stand Apocalypse, it always degrades into a contest of 'he who brings the biggest models, wins', and normal units have next to no value. 5th ed and the dominance of tanks was bad (kinda), but 6th and its emphasis on big crap is worse. Deathstars and superheavies make for boring games IMO.

Well, the Wraithknight is not a super heavy as then it should have two or more structural points.

As Creeping D. said, the Eldar release could be rather disappointing. Here the question is whether the new Eldar are adapted to the 6th rule set or not. This particularly concerns tanks (Serpents are overpriced). I doubt that Iyanden will be playable in a competitive setting unless you include two Wraithknights.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, the Wraithknight is not a super heavy as then it should have two or more structural points.

As Creeping D. said, the Eldar release could be rather disappointing. Here the question is whether the new Eldar are adapted to the 6th rule set or not. This particularly concerns tanks (Serpents are overpriced). I doubt that Iyanden will be playable in a competitive setting unless you include two Wraithknights.

Wraithknights follow the basic concept of what a superheavy is without having the official designation (A rose by any other name...). If you took a Baneblade sized tank, made it super tough (AV14 + bonuses), with 6-7 Hullpoints, Heavy, uber weapons, etc, its basically a Superheavy for all intents and purposes even if it doesn't have 'Superheavy' written next to it.

I would think that Iyanden would be one of the most playable to be honest. For the past few releases the new models have gotten the best rules (except fliers). Iyanden seems to have the most new models. I haven't really been following the rules leaks/rumors super closely though. If the models don't impress, I won't buy. I'll just need to know how to kill the stuff now that I'm not jumping on the bandwagon.

Seeing the Wraith knight gives me the feeling that soon the Tyranids will come out with a six limbed hooved Godzilla with some chitinous bits stuck on.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Shards of Basalt wrote:
People have been converting Eldar Guardians into Aspect Warriors for years. This move with the Dire Avengers is just further encouragement - how long do you think it'll be before some enterprising sculptor starts selling "plumed space elf heads"?

Well, Dire Avengers can be quite well proxied by Guardian Defenders.

There will always be players who proxy.
I personally hope to see a lot of Dark Eldar based Aspect Warrior conversions.

Ooouuuw. Games Workshop's Wraithknight is soooooo expensive.

I am gonna ragequite and play Warmachine instead. Their Colossals might be shorter, made from restic and pewter, offer you no posing and no alternative weapon options, but at least they are chea... oh wait, sorry. Never mind.

I love the new plastic wraithguard, but the Dire Avenger thing makes me want to stab myself.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Ooouuuw. Games Workshop's Wraithknight is soooooo expensive.

I am gonna ragequite and play Warmachine instead. Their Colossals might be shorter, made from restic and pewter, offer you no posing and no alternative weapon options, but at least they are chea... oh wait, sorry. Never mind.

That's probably the exact reason for the price.

GW: "If PP can do it, SO CAN WE!!!"

 Creeping Dementia wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, the Wraithknight is not a super heavy as then it should have two or more structural points.

As Creeping D. said, the Eldar release could be rather disappointing. Here the question is whether the new Eldar are adapted to the 6th rule set or not. This particularly concerns tanks (Serpents are overpriced). I doubt that Iyanden will be playable in a competitive setting unless you include two Wraithknights.

Wraithknights follow the basic concept of what a superheavy is without having the official designation (A rose by any other name...). If you took a Baneblade sized tank, made it super tough (AV14 + bonuses), with 6-7 Hullpoints, Heavy, uber weapons, etc, its basically a Superheavy for all intents and purposes even if it doesn't have 'Superheavy' written next to it.

I would think that Iyanden would be one of the most playable to be honest. For the past few releases the new models have gotten the best rules (except fliers). Iyanden seems to have the most new models. I haven't really been following the rules leaks/rumors super closely though. If the models don't impress, I won't buy. I'll just need to know how to kill the stuff now that I'm not jumping on the bandwagon.

A Iyanden army will suffer from a small model count. Such armies are difficult to play at the competitive level.

 DeffDred wrote:


That's probably the exact reason for the price.

GW: "If PP can do it, SO CAN WE!!!"

Except that GW's Wraithknight is 15% cheaper than a Colossal, hard-plastic, fully posable kit with ball and socket joints at the waist head and shoulders, locator pins at the knees, ankles and hips instead of "drill-and-pin-your-resin-yourself", two different set of arms, different options for weapons, different variants of the hands/fingers, etc.., etc...