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you can field Eiryss too you know...

Sadly no . The only solos I could use that are sold here was steinhammer others were not joining cygnar .

Other ways of taking her out include running to engage her. she cant shott when shes got a warpwolf in her face now, can she. Other ways include crippling her through feats and spells (various ways of removing actions, nerfing shooting etc).

Isn't a warpwolf a circle monster or is there a cygnar jack/solo named the same way.

My problem is that the way tables are set up her my friends always keep her out of my run range and I can't charge her without LoS , wouldn't matter anyway as non o my models are very fast. This makes it impossible for my casters to get anywere near scoring zones or objectives with a caster like nemo or darius. Against Cain she creates a huge bubble of "can't go there" ,but truth be told am having problems with runing cain at all. My friends want either to play 50pts or 25pts with just jacks and solos , as those 2 are the formats people play here.

Speaking of playing yestarday I went to my second new player tournament . Lost all games again , but am kind of a getting used to that.
My first opponet run an army made out of solos . He had 2 man hunter , a man hunter character , a man hunter character on a horse with two sword and a man'o war character on a horse with another character attached to him and Eirrs . His caster was Witch . He run his whole army on turn one swarming , the single big objective in the middle . I moved up chargers to sacrifice them and counter charge with my Ironclads and Darius. I hoped that if he tries to ignore them I will get free strikes and repair the ironclads with darius feat and whoop him hard. That didn't happen . He poped his feat with my jacks in range , teleported the scrap jack beind me army . We had a small quarrel her , because normaly the brown patch of cardboard is a hill at the store ,only the green painted ones are used as forests . The tournament Org told us to roll . I lose, he charged me with the scrap jack and killed Darius .

Second game was against the store owner and his double stormwall army , that went better then the last time I kept Darius base to base with my clads . There was no fliping of my jacks he just back paddled blocking my advance with pods and shoting those big guns .

third game was against cryx . Don't even know what casters he played ,but he had a lot of those mini jacks , he got one in range turn 2 and almost killed darius leaving him at 3hp and corrsion on . I poped my feat , loaded a clad with focus moved him with my crane and charged his caster . Sadly I was less then 0.3" away and the store owner judged that the charge failed. IMO I should have been in range because he was advancing for 2 turns , but my opponent said he just didnt advance full in his last turn .

Makumba wrote:

you can field Eiryss too you know...

Sadly no . The only solos I could use that are sold here was steinhammer others were not joining cygnar.

You can always expand your army, and she's a lovely model

Makumba wrote:

Other ways of taking her out include running to engage her. she cant shott when shes got a warpwolf in her face now, can she. Other ways include crippling her through feats and spells (various ways of removing actions, nerfing shooting etc).

Isn't a warpwolf a circle monster or is there a cygnar jack/solo named the same way.

It was more a figure of speech, run something into her face (even if it's just a single Trencher or something) and he can't attack that turn as she deals with the pleb/fails to harm the jack that you get to her

Makumba wrote:

My problem is that the way tables are set up her my friends always keep her out of my run range and I can't charge her without LoS , wouldn't matter anyway as non o my models are very fast. This makes it impossible for my casters to get anywere near scoring zones or objectives with a caster like nemo or darius. Against Cain she creates a huge bubble of "can't go there" ,but truth be told am having problems with runing cain at all. My friends want either to play 50pts or 25pts with just jacks and solos , as those 2 are the formats people play here.

Well if your friends were dictating silly rules for any game it would stop being as fun as it could be, make them play the right rules and you'll have more fun. Also, she can't shoot you as effectively without LOS (she is forced to use phantom seeker/in her epic form she can't do anything), so if she is hiding behind a wall to avoid LOS then who cares, she'll plink 1 damage off per shot and you can ignore her/flank her position

Makumba wrote:
Speaking of playing yestarday I went to my second new player tournament . Lost all games again , but am kind of a getting used to that.
My first opponet run an army made out of solos . He had 2 man hunter , a man hunter character , a man hunter character on a horse with two sword and a man'o war character on a horse with another character attached to him and Eirrs . His caster was Witch . He run his whole army on turn one swarming , the single big objective in the middle . I moved up chargers to sacrifice them and counter charge with my Ironclads and Darius. I hoped that if he tries to ignore them I will get free strikes and repair the ironclads with darius feat and whoop him hard. That didn't happen . He poped his feat with my jacks in range , teleported the scrap jack beind me army . We had a small quarrel her , because normaly the brown patch of cardboard is a hill at the store ,only the green painted ones are used as forests . The tournament Org told us to roll . I lose, he charged me with the scrap jack and killed Darius .

Second game was against the store owner and his double stormwall army , that went better then the last time I kept Darius base to base with my clads . There was no fliping of my jacks he just back paddled blocking my advance with pods and shoting those big guns .

third game was against cryx . Don't even know what casters he played ,but he had a lot of those mini jacks , he got one in range turn 2 and almost killed darius leaving him at 3hp and corrsion on . I poped my feat , loaded a clad with focus moved him with my crane and charged his caster . Sadly I was less then 0.3" away and the store owner judged that the charge failed. IMO I should have been in range because he was advancing for 2 turns , but my opponent said he just didnt advance full in his last turn .

I don't believe anyone can attach to the Man o War Drakhun (the mounted MOW). He can have a foot version who appears after the mounted one dies, is that what you meant? Old Witch is meant to be a hard matchup, and all I can really say there is before every game make sure things are made clear as to what they are, sounds like a bit of a bum rap. Second game just sounds brutal for a completely unoptomised army like you have. You really need to consider ordering models in from Wayland or something so you have the choices that every other Cygnar player has, rather than be limited by your store. And Cryx...you would have got the caster if the Ironclad had reached, that's just unlucky man, I hate when I miss by a fraction of an inch. How did the bonejack get LOS to Darius though? Against fast arc node armies you have to remember to shell up around your caster a bit to protect him from the ridiculous alphas that those armies can handle.

Makumba wrote:

you can field Eiryss too you know...

Sadly no . The only solos I could use that are sold here was steinhammer others were not joining cygnar .

There's this lovely thing called online stores, if your LGS won't stock what you need. There's only so much you can do, if you can't field enough different models to have a useful force.

Makumba wrote:

Sadly no . The only solos I could use that are sold here was steinhammer others were not joining cygnar .
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thats hardly an excuse my good man, especially when you can always buy online. If you dont have a card, see if you can borrow a mates' and pay him in cash to make up for it. Im also genuinely surprised that you, or your store owner wont order stuff in. if youre interested in expanding your roster, its in his interest to get it for you. its not just hurting you.

and it is something that is hurting you. you need better synnergies in your armies - thats whats ready cramping your games if you ask me.

Makumba wrote:

Isn't a warpwolf a circle monster or is there a cygnar jack/solo named the same way.

I play circle and khador.

i thought the fact that the fact it was a figure of speech was a given... run things into melee, and you hurt their shooting.

Makumba wrote:

My problem is that the way tables are set up her my friends always keep her out of my run range and I can't charge her without LoS , wouldn't matter anyway as non o my models are very fast. This makes it impossible for my casters to get anywere near scoring zones or objectives with a caster like nemo or darius. Against Cain she creates a huge bubble of "can't go there" ,but truth be told am having problems with runing cain at all. My friends want either to play 50pts or 25pts with just jacks and solos , as those 2 are the formats people play here.
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thats why you take infantry (especially with advance move/deploy) or cavalry.

Also, here is a trick for you- a nice and nasty Nemo/Haley combo that has shredded my high DEF infantry numerous times. Run a stormcaller to within a few inches of Eiryss. Run/move a lancer behind, and close to the stormcaller. Arc chain lightning through the lancer targetting the stormcaller. its basically an autohit, as with the backstrike bonus and all its hardly an issue. Now the chain lightning arcs to the models nearest - ie Eiryss. LOS not required. Clever thing is the stormcaller has immunity: electricity. Stormcaller triangulation is also another really nasty move that you can pull off with multiple stormcallers - again, i've seen it used to deadly effect to take out pesky solos - espeically since it ignores stealth.

Also, i dislike the attached strings to games. 25 or 50pts only with jacks and solos? thats not how the game works. Fair enough if your playing mangled metal/tooth and claw (ie jacks and beasts only) games, but as a whole, warmachine is played by having access to everything.

Makumba wrote:

Speaking of playing yestarday I went to my second new player tournament . Lost all games again , but am kind of a getting used to that.
My first opponet run an army made out of solos . He had 2 man hunter , a man hunter character , a man hunter character on a horse with two sword and a man'o war character on a horse with another character attached to him and Eirrs . His caster was Witch . He run his whole army on turn one swarming , the single big objective in the middle . I moved up chargers to sacrifice them and counter charge with my Ironclads and Darius. I hoped that if he tries to ignore them I will get free strikes and repair the ironclads with darius feat and whoop him hard. That didn't happen . He poped his feat with my jacks in range , teleported the scrap jack beind me army . We had a small quarrel her , because normaly the brown patch of cardboard is a hill at the store ,only the green painted ones are used as forests . The tournament Org told us to roll . I lose, he charged me with the scrap jack and killed Darius .
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2 manhunters, Yuri (MH character). there is no manhunter on a horse - but im guessing you mean Fenris - He's a doom reaver character dragoon. Similarly, there is no MOW character on a horse. We've got the MOW Drakhun on a horse - but he's not a "name". Im guessing as well he took 2 Bokurs with the Drakhun and Eiryss. And the Old Witch. Im curious though how he teleported Scrappy, as the old Witch doesnt have teleport as a spell. closest thing is unseen path, which places either OW, or scrappy within 2" of the other. But no teleporting shenanigans im afraid.

Makumba wrote:

Second game was against the store owner and his double stormwall army , that went better then the last time I kept Darius base to base with my clads . There was no fliping of my jacks he just back paddled blocking my advance with pods and shoting those big guns .

third game was against cryx . Don't even know what casters he played ,but he had a lot of those mini jacks , he got one in range turn 2 and almost killed darius leaving him at 3hp and corrsion on . I poped my feat , loaded a clad with focus moved him with my crane and charged his caster . Sadly I was less then 0.3" away and the store owner judged that the charge failed. IMO I should have been in range because he was advancing for 2 turns , but my opponent said he just didnt advance full in his last turn .

you cant measure charge ranges, but you can measure your control range at any time. its a nice little tool to help judge those "can i charge that" situations, by proxy.

I don't believe anyone can attach to the Man o War Drakhun (the mounted MOW). He can have a foot version who appears after the mounted one dies, is that what you meant?

It was a bokur.

You can always expand your army, and she's a lovely mode

There's this lovely thing called online stores, if your LGS won't stock what you need. There's only so much you can do, if you can't field enough different models to have a useful force.

thats hardly an excuse my good man, especially when you can always buy online. If you dont have a card, see if you can borrow a mates' and pay him in cash to make up for it. Im also genuinely surprised that you, or your store owner wont order stuff in. if youre interested in expanding your roster, its in his interest to get it for you.

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store doesn't sell her and I can't buy stuff online. My friends don't have credit cards either . When they were buying their armies , they asked one of my friends uncles to buy them as he lives in chicago .
From what I understand the store owner did work with PP for some years , but then they started being late with sending stuff at the same time they didn't let his stores buy stuff from other stores or from germany , so they stoped. Most people here already have armies , so they don't realy buy new stuff , everyone else has to buy stuff in germany or on line.

Well if your friends were dictating silly rules for any game it would stop being as fun as it could be, make them play the right rules and you'll have more fun.

It is not realy them . WM is played here in two ways 50 pts double armies or 25-35pts mangled metal with solos .

Also, she can't shoot you as effectively without LOS (she is forced to use phantom seeker/in her epic form she can't do anything), so if she is hiding behind a wall to avoid LOS then who cares, she'll plink 1 damage off per shot and you can ignore her/flank her position

She hides and If I get near the objectice or opposing army , she moves shots and drops all focus from my caster . I more or less have to play without my caster till she is dead , while my opponent doesn't have such problems.

you cant measure charge ranges, but you can measure your control range at any time. its a nice little tool to help judge those "can i charge that" situations, by proxy.

Imo I was in range . My opponent said I wasn't. He called the store owner , who is his dad and he told us to check it .IMO I was still in range ,but his son said that his caster was moved durning range checking .

thats why you take infantry (especially with advance move/deploy) or cavalry.

If I played 50pts I would , but I don't have 50pts . The noob tournament is just jacks and solos and my friends play with 25-35pts against me and those games are without infantry.

And Cryx...you would have got the caster if the Ironclad had reached, that's just unlucky man, I hate when I miss by a fraction of an inch. How did the bonejack get LOS to Darius though?

He had 4-5 small jacks and I wasn't able to to block all arcs , those small jacks are very fast.

I always forget bokurs, they never see play in my store for some reason.

And

It is not realy them . WM is played here in two ways 50 pts double armies or 25-35pts mangled metal with solos .

Whether it's them or the store, saying 'you are only allowed jacks and some solos until you hit 50 pts' is going to heavily gimp the choices of several armies, one of which is Cygnar. Especially if you then can't buy anything worthwhile for that ridiculous rule. Your store needs to adapt to how the game is written instead of imposing restrictions hamstringing some armies over others.

Makumba wrote:


store doesn't sell her and I can't buy stuff online. My friends don't have credit cards either . When they were buying their armies , they asked one of my friends uncles to buy them as he lives in chicago .
From what I understand the store owner did work with PP for some years , but then they started being late with sending stuff at the same time they didn't let his stores buy stuff from other stores or from germany , so they stoped. Most people here already have armies , so they don't realy buy new stuff , everyone else has to buy stuff in germany or on line.

ah, fair enough. Just curious though - do you have any friends/familiy members that would let you do the same?

Shame about your shop's attitude towards getting new stuff. ultimately, its self defeating.

Makumba wrote:

It is not realy them . WM is played here in two ways 50 pts double armies or 25-35pts mangled metal with solos .

50pt double armies?

these restrictions are stupid. these guys need to start playing the game properly.

Makumba wrote:

She hides and If I get near the objectice or opposing army , she moves shots and drops all focus from my caster . I more or less have to play without my caster till she is dead , while my opponent doesn't have such problems.

there are plenty ways of taking her down. its just a shame you dont have access to some proper synnergies - i still think you need to look into that whole credit card thing. otherwise its always going to be an uphill struggle.

Makumba wrote:

If I played 50pts I would , but I don't have 50pts . The noob tournament is just jacks and solos and my friends play with 25-35pts against me and those games are without infantry.

Ill reiterate - they need to start playing the proper game. those restrictions severely punish a lot of armies options. I'm quite a solid khador player, but no access to infantry would completely ruin my chances of winning. its the same with cygnar. warmachine armies rely on an infantry punch, with jack support. playing the way you guys do is a skewed game that ultimately doesnt benefit anyone.

I wouldn't bother playing Warmachine/Hordes at all if I could not bring infantry

The majority of my favorite units are Infantry

ah, fair enough. Just curious though - do you have any friends/familiy members that would let you do the same?

No . Either too young and without bank accounts or they would tell my parents.

50pt double armies?

50 pts 2 lists and you pick one before playing in secret.

Ill reiterate - they need to start playing the proper game. those restrictions severely punish a lot of armies options. I'm quite a solid khador player, but no access to infantry would completely ruin my chances of winning. its the same with cygnar. warmachine armies rely on an infantry punch, with jack support. playing the way you guys do is a skewed game that ultimately doesnt benefit anyone.

the 50pts games do use infantry , I just don't have enough units to run a proper 50pts army..

Whether it's them or the store, saying 'you are only allowed jacks and some solos until you hit 50 pts' is going to heavily gimp the choices of several armies, one of which is Cygnar.

It is true that are few cygnar players here. In the last new player tournament there were 34 people and only me and the store owner played cygnar.

I'm in agreement above
1. play the game properly
2. the fact that you lost merely because of a bad rule decision and not getting pounded into dirt means you're making progress

Cygnar has all sorts of solutions for stealth and high defense.

Number one should be gunmages with UA. The new blazers should also do well since they are so mobile. B-13 isn't bad, either, between the fire beacon and Ryan's AOE. Storm smiths are good as they ignore stealth as well.

Also, melee doesn't give a darn about stealth.

We have some AOEs. And e-leaps and lightning. Minuteman flak field is solid against things like druids and stealth. Stormwall is nice, too.

Combat stealth with your own stealth in commandos.

A good caster to use against stealth and forests is Seige. He has multiple ways to get around both for him and his battlegroup (Magesight, groundpounder, explosivo) eKaya has stealth and hiding behind a forest? Seige don't care.

And against high def we have plenty of accuracy buffs including deadeye. Gun mages + Deadeye = a lot of dead druids.

One of my favorite strategies I have heard about to get around stealth and presumably other "can't target this" ideas is to take an AOE blast and aim it at a point on the table which coincidentally happens to be directly centered on the model you can't otherwise target. Then just hope it deviates in your favor.

Well you can't aim at a point on the table (as a general rule, there are some things which are exceptions to this I think), but say you have a 10" range AOE 4 weapon, and Eiryss is 10" way, and a big jack is 15" away (in a straight line), you can aim at the jack, the template drops on Eiryss, then you pray it only deviates 1 or 2 inches.

 dementedwombat wrote:
One of my favorite strategies I have heard about to get around stealth and presumably other "can't target this" ideas is to take an AOE blast and aim it at a point on the table which coincidentally happens to be directly centered on the model you can't otherwise target. Then just hope it deviates in your favor.

Yeah, that one definitely isn't legal. You can aim at a nearby target and hope for good deviation, but aiming at a random point on the table isn't allowed.

You can target a steathed target. It will just automatically miss and deviate. Then you just hope the deviation will still be over the original target.

I was more responding to the 'cannot target' part of his post. And even in regards to stealthed models you can't target a part of the board, but instead must target a model

 dementedwombat wrote:
One of my favorite strategies I have heard about to get around stealth and presumably other "can't target this" ideas is to take an AOE blast and aim it at a point on the table which coincidentally happens to be directly centered on the model you can't otherwise target. Then just hope it deviates in your favor.

I made that mistake a lot when I started too
-stealth does not prevent targeting, just ranged shots automatically miss
-you also don't count the unit for line of sight, which can be fun
-what you say still basically works though, you fire the AOE at the target, it automatically "misses" and deviates, hope you roll a 1 or 2 (or 3 if its a 5" aoe) so you have a 1/3rd to 1/2 chance of hitting it anyway
-also AOE's will only deviate up to half the distance to the target, so if you get close, you /will/ hit with the scattering blast.

 Mordekiem wrote:
Cygnar has all sorts of solutions for stealth and high defense.

And without gun mages ? Am trying to electro leap her , but it more or less forces me to play nemo , as neither cain nor Darius have chain lightning and it brings nemo very close to the enemy army and low on focuse and god forbid she survives the Chain Lightning , then nemo is dead without her even activating.


I got to play against some new people yestarday . One played elf and the other one played merc pirates . The game against the pirate player was interesting . First of all he was ok to use infantry , so I could use my dwarfs. He had lots of infantry , We played a scenario with two objectives and two scoring zones. He swarmed his very fast and I had to run to not lose on points , so my first turn wasn't very eventful. Then he charged but bounced of my dwarfs I countered with forgeguard and killed lots of stuff , but moved nemo too close . He charged a female solo at me through gap he made between his own and my models . I had nemo guarded by a charger and an ironclad , but she was immune to free strikes and had 2 attacks , but killed me with her first one. Guy was very fun to play against , sadly could only play one game .

Then I played against the elf player and got demolished . Those mage hunters and specialy those solos with 4" reach hurt me a lot . He went for caster kill in all games and I was always unable to stop him . He did use and eirrs too , but a different one then my friends do , she didn't realy do much in all of our games. The last game we played he changed his list to what he called "for fun" list . Which happened to be a list with 5-6 jacks . I was realy supprised that he was able to fuel them with focus , but he did . Unlike his lists full of infantry I got to do stuff this time . Killed some jacks blocked some charges , but in the end my forge guard died and my Iron clad got tar pited by 2 jacks and he manged to charge me with one of his jacks wit reach. Rest of my games were against my friends list . Tried to CL , tried to engage in melee it didn't work , even If get to her in melee he just totals the jack with a man hunter or two and activates her after that and its game over.

some more notes:

1. you dont start scoring points in scenario until the end of the 2nd persons 2nd turn, so you have pleny of time to get into that zone to contest it so you didn't have to sacrifice all your dudes to stop him from getting points
2. you could always try a minuteman who pretty much autokills her with flak field

1. yes,but dwarfs are a but slow , If I just took some of them in to the scoring zone . It would be possible for my opponent to wipe out my dudes in the contesting zone and he had enough fast moving infantry units to block me out of the scoring zone .

2. Sadly not a viable option for me , as there are non of them sold here.

If you can't buy any of the decent anti-infantry options, I hate to say it, but you're pretty much screwed. Good play matters a lot, but if you can't take a counter for something, you're boned.

Tarot wrote:
If you can't buy any of the decent anti-infantry options, I hate to say it, but you're pretty much screwed. Good play matters a lot, but if you can't take a counter for something, you're boned.

Yeah, this. Cygnar has an answer for just about everything. But if you don't have the models then you are in trouble.

I am sure this was mentioned, but you can order anything on the internet. Or try other stores. Not sure of your situation in these regards, but hopefully those will give you options.

Also just about any store will order stuff in for you. You just go up to the counter and ask if they will order in Warmachine figures, then just tell them what you want and they'll ship it into the store for you to buy the next time they get new inventory.

The only downside is you have no idea how long until it arrives.

there is only 1 store here that can order PP stuff. Other stores don't because they don't support WM and in the store where WM is played and sold , they had problems with getting stuff from PP. They tried to order stuff from order sources like firm that has the rights to sell WM in germany , but it is suppose to be a forbiden . The contract they signed with PP makes it impossible for them to order stuff from other online shops or firms that are not PP . I did ask if they could order it private , but then I would have to pay for transport insurance and the tax and it almost doubles the price of the order , because tabled top models are classed not as toys , but as luxury product here.

Makumba wrote:
there is only 1 store here that can order PP stuff. Other stores don't because they don't support WM and in the store where WM is played and sold , they had problems with getting stuff from PP. They tried to order stuff from order sources like firm that has the rights to sell WM in germany , but it is suppose to be a forbiden . Right now there is no firm that sells PP in Poland.

Well then to be honest you are just kind of screwed. There is only so far you can take a thoroughly limited army, which is further limited by how your area forces you to play. It sucks to say that, and when you find a way to pick up some models this thread will be useful for you. Perhaps your fellows will let you proxy some models as others, since it sounds like there is no way for you to buy anything?

It is not allowed to proxy anything for any game in the store we play.

So they don't let you buy through them, then don't let you proxy. Nice.

Well, I refer you to the first part of my statement then sadly, you're just kind of stuffed. Sorry.

Makumba wrote:
there is only 1 store here that can order PP stuff. Other stores don't because they don't support WM and in the store where WM is played and sold , they had problems with getting stuff from PP. They tried to order stuff from order sources like firm that has the rights to sell WM in germany , but it is suppose to be a forbiden . The contract they signed with PP makes it impossible for them to order stuff from other online shops or firms that are not PP . I did ask if they could order it private , but then I would have to pay for transport insurance and the tax and it almost doubles the price of the order , because tabled top models are classed not as toys , but as luxury product here.

Someone's selling you a line of bull here. Privateer doesn't do direct sales to retailers.

Tarot wrote:

Makumba wrote:
there is only 1 store here that can order PP stuff. Other stores don't because they don't support WM and in the store where WM is played and sold , they had problems with getting stuff from PP. They tried to order stuff from order sources like firm that has the rights to sell WM in germany , but it is suppose to be a forbiden . The contract they signed with PP makes it impossible for them to order stuff from other online shops or firms that are not PP . I did ask if they could order it private , but then I would have to pay for transport insurance and the tax and it almost doubles the price of the order , because tabled top models are classed not as toys , but as luxury product here.

Someone's selling you a line of bull here. Privateer doesn't do direct sales to retailers.

I concur. I live in Seattle and even the shops here do not get it directly from PP. At least that my buddy ran. Pretty sure PPs deal is they sell to the middleman and they then sell to the retailers.

I am not sure where you live, who you know or what options are available to you, but if you have friends/family in other areas you might see if they can pick stuff up for you. I'd think that in a major city you should have multiple options. Germany is also filled with more than its fair share of us Americans. If you have GI buddies see if they can get some sent to you (thru them). Maybe you can get them from the UK. The game seems to have some popularity there as well. You have access to the internet so you have some options and connections. Make us of them!

Also consider playing somewhere other than that store. Invite a buddy over to your place to play where you can do whatever you want. a 4x4 table is pretty easy to make. terrain can be very simple.

Well the shop owner was the retailer of PP stuff for eastern europe , when they had problems with getting stuff from PP directly they tried to get them from the retailer in germany , which didn't work and we ended with what we have now .

I live in Poland Warsaw the only place where WM is played where I live is the store I go to , there are no other stores that support WM , mostly because other stores have different owners and they wouldn't want to support a game other people sell. I don't have family over seas . My friend does have an uncle in the US and he did buy armies for 3 of my friends . I did ask them If he could also buy some stuff for me , but my friends told me that they already have everything they want , so won't order any new stuff.

As playing at home goes , it is impossible for me , Polish flats are realy small . I can't get enough space to paint models not to mention play games.