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 minigun762 wrote:
By my math, there is a 0.92% of that happening assuming no twin linking and a 5+ cover save...

The guardsman was probably painted blue.

They never were.

11 Armor on the side and a 24" gun is a recipe for disaster.

At 1999, BA can field so many 13 fronts. 2 Vindicators, 1 Pred, 3 Baal Preds.This is the only time I play vindicators, but every time I do they are always my opponents priority ONE. Knowing this going in is usually a big help before the battle even begins. Just another small advantage the vindicator brings.

 minigun762 wrote:
By my math, there is a 0.92% of that happening assuming no twin linking and a 5+ cover save...

If it was the first shot of the game, then there is a good chance that it was twin-linked from BiD.

I play SW, and personally LOVE my Vindicators. I always take at least 1. Part of the reason I love them is they fit the aesthetic/theme of the Space Wolves, blunt, in your face, and kicks out a gak-tonne of pain.
Also it's the only way I can get hold of a str10 ap2 pie plate outside of FW. In at least 2 games with them I've blown up my opponents Land Raider the first time I aimed for the unit next to it. So, scatter dice hate me, but apparently my Armour-pen ones love me
I've never really had an issue with them dying turn 1 or 2, possibly because the guy I usually play against doesn't have much in the way of anti-tank, and he also rolls poorly. However, others are right, with two, the probability of at least one pie-plate surviving increases drastically, and can even be a game-changer right up until the final bell.
I love me a vindi, end of

I see alot of value with BA Vindicators, especially supported by Baals.

For Chaos, the special bonus is daemonic possession and I'm not sold on if it's worth it.