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Ah, rechecking again, it seems I have misremembered and missed the 25% bit on page 18. My apologies - shouldn't do YMDC late in the evening after a week's work.

That would make the above pic borderline 25% for the 5+ save at least.

Also I don't think that only vehicles have to be 25%


PG 18 RB

Determining Cover Saves
If, when you come to allocate a wound, the target model's body (as defined on page 8) is at least 25% obscured from the point of view of at least 1 firer, wounds allocated to that model receive a cover save.

 Redemption wrote:
25% is indeed only for vehicles. For the Tervigon it's basically like this:

Where is any part of the Tervigon even covered?

The gap between the models covers it.

rigeld2 wrote:
The gap between the models covers it.

So we're supposed to draw an invisible wall and therefore claim the MC gets a cover save? Wow, that isn't intuitive or logical at all...

 Enigwolf wrote:
So we're supposed to draw an invisible wall and therefore claim the MC gets a cover save? Wow, that isn't intuitive or logical at all...

Yup, in that situation, assuming all the Termagants are in the same unit, you'd basically do this:



And check if at least 25% of the Tervigon is covered by the blue area. Seeing as the bulk is actually above the blue area, in retrospect I guess I'd say he doesn't get a coversave here. If it were the taller Hormagaunts or the angle was lower, it wouldn't be an issue.

 Enigwolf wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
The gap between the models covers it.

So we're supposed to draw an invisible wall and therefore claim the MC gets a cover save? Wow, that isn't intuitive or logical at all...

Pure RAW... pg 18

It truly does say exactly that.. from that angle there is a 5+
But I'm talking about shooting from above it, in which there is still a toe covered.. do you go buy.. its shooting over and isn't covered 25%.. or.. its shooting thru the unit.. in which it gets a 5+ no matter what.. anyways.. it wasn't enough to effect the outcome in our game so it didn't really matter.. I was just wondering

 Redemption wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
So we're supposed to draw an invisible wall and therefore claim the MC gets a cover save? Wow, that isn't intuitive or logical at all...

Yup, in that situation, assuming all the Termagants are in the same unit, you'd basically do this:



And check if at least 25% of the Tervigon is covered by the blue area. Seeing as the bulk is actually above the blue area, in retrospect I guess I'd say he doesn't get a coversave here. If it were the taller Hormagaunts or the angle was lower, it wouldn't be an issue.

I'm sorry, but how dose that work for the "True LOS" that 6e has us use?
I really don't see how any of the models could be declared to have a cover save from this angle.

Read the cover rules on 18. ""Similarly, if a model fires through the gaps between models in an intervening unit, the target is in cover, even if it is completely visible to the fire.""

Unfortunately that sentence did not clarify that the imaginary line between the tops of the models that form the gap needs to cover 25% of the model.

at the bottom of the page it tries to elaborate by saying.. the unit in front isn't blocking the shots but spoils your aim...

its lame but its the rules..

 Nilok wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
So we're supposed to draw an invisible wall and therefore claim the MC gets a cover save? Wow, that isn't intuitive or logical at all...

Yup, in that situation, assuming all the Termagants are in the same unit, you'd basically do this:



And check if at least 25% of the Tervigon is covered by the blue area. Seeing as the bulk is actually above the blue area, in retrospect I guess I'd say he doesn't get a coversave here. If it were the taller Hormagaunts or the angle was lower, it wouldn't be an issue.

I'm sorry, but how dose that work for the "True LOS" that 6e has us use?
I really don't see how any of the models could be declared to have a cover save from this angle.

Here is how it works.

If you are firing through a gap in a unit the model you are shooting at gets a cover save. The model can claim a cover save even if the model is 100% visible.

The photo shows that the big bug is 100% visible from the perspective of the firing model (If we pretend the pic was taken where the firing models eyes would be). None of the little bugs are actually obscuring it, but part of the big bug is under the line that has been drawn, which shows where the gaps in the unit are. If the Big bug was 100% above the blue area then it would not get a cover save at all. If the targetable area of the big bug is 0.00000000000001% or more below the blue area then the big bug gets a 5+ cover save.

Dang forgot about that, my Tervigon might have had more than 2 Wounds when it assaulted those Warp Spiders...

 Roci wrote:

thisisnotpancho wrote:
I also think that a Swooping MC can go to ground. No?

No, but they can dive for a jink save

Pages? Rules references? I don't think there is a rule in the book prohibiting a swooping FMC from going to ground

thisisnotpancho wrote:

 Roci wrote:

thisisnotpancho wrote:
I also think that a Swooping MC can go to ground. No?

No, but they can dive for a jink save

Pages? Rules references? I don't think there is a rule in the book prohibiting a swooping FMC from going to ground

Or Dive and then GTG.