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 Monster Rain wrote:
I'm a lesbian trapped inside of a man's body.

So it kind of worked out.

Aren't we all, mate, aren't we all

Anyway, I applaud this act of trolling. Sadly, it may not have the desired effect on a fanatic like Phelps.

While it's a valiant troll, it's not as good as the rainbow house across the road.

 notprop wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
I'm a lesbian trapped inside of a man's body.

So it kind of worked out.

Really?

Sorry to break it to you but the dungarees, and tie-die shirt makes your arse look fat.

And that's a bad thing?

Let us not forget the famous words of the immortal Sir Mixalot.

The junk in Monster Rain's trunk I do not want to see.

I also can not lie....

Perhaps a pauncho might cover the area?

 Jihadin wrote:

WTF? I thought the Amish were pacifists, as a fundamental principle. How'd they reconcile military service with that?

Tripped us out to. At 18 like they do I think he was allowed to live like the rest of us for a year. Decided to join the army on a three year contract. Became a Medic. He was the only one allowed not to be issued a weapon per SGT Maj. order. Since Rifle Qual was twice a year at least the NCO's who were running Safety on the firing line would switch out with him. NCO would have his weapon on the line to. So when Byler went out to the firing line they swap places and the NCO will shoot for him if on the digital target range or we just use a M4A3 commonly called a Skillcraft pen. He go home on leave and rent a room for one night and swap from regular clothes to Amish clothes while on leave. Apparently his father agreed to the arrangement. Think he was training up to be their version of a Doctor. Still a good kid and a good soldier. Loved being a paratrooper.

When I lived in in Pennsylvania, I learned that Amish kids at the time had some of the fastest cars in Lebanon and would break them out for Saturday night racing on the main street.

ThePrimordial wrote:
Dude ,Peregrine to my knowledge you're one of the few people on Dakka widely hated, just get out.

Your knowledge, like your debating skills, seem rather lacking. Jumping straight to personal attacks isn't going to impress anyone.

ThePrimordial wrote:

In my experience Satanists are easily upsettable tools or insane zealots

I'm still not seeing the difference...

ThePrimordial wrote:
Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism, Judaism are all composed of mixed followers so you're already wrong on one account

That's why I said "equally strong criticism" and not "the exact same criticism". The point is not that satanism and other religions are all identical, it's that they're all just as bad in their own ways.

Christianity's primary tennants don't contradict themselves like Levayan satanism ( which is dramatically more contradictory ) So now that's two

Sorry, what? Christianity's primary tenets are an incoherent mess. The only reason anyone thinks it makes any sense is that it's been established as part of their culture for so long that they accept it without every really questioning it (while satanism is too small a minority to get that treatment).

In my experience Satanists are easily upsettable tools or insane zealots

Thank you for proving my point very nicely. If I said "in my experience christians are easily upsettable tools or insane zealots" I'd probably be taking a vacation from the forum. But apparently satanists are an acceptable target for some reason.

Dude ,Peregrine to my knowledge you're one of the few people on Dakka widely hated, just get out.

Lol.

 notprop wrote:
The junk in Monster Rain's trunk I do not want to see.

I also can not lie....

Perhaps a pauncho might cover the area?

Why would I want to cover it?

I may purchase a pair of chaps.

Satan and "the devil" weren't originally the same character. The Satan was an obedient angel who acted to test the resolve of humans.

Yeah but that's not really what Satanists get on about (depending on which Satanists you're talking about). They pretty much exist as a counter movement to dogmatic religions by identifying with a concept invented long after the Bible was written and turning it on its head and then playing mockingly into all the 1980's stereotypes for a good laugh. EDIT: And the theistic branches as I can tell tend to have some gnostic mysticism thrown in.

Satanists don't really identify with Satan/Lucifer/the Devil as the character(s) exist in the Bible but with latter concepts of from the romantic period (and the few Satantists I've met seem markedly aware of this but then they were literature majors XD).

Funny, pointless, but funny.

And Primordial, go read a bible would ya.

This is just disrespectful.

Of course, I am neither condoning WBC's actions nor defending them. I find them a vile group of human beings.

However, I find it hard to stomach that a group could be so disrespectful to the dead.

Iranna.

Dead don't care.

 Iranna wrote:

However, I find it hard to stomach that a group could be so disrespectful to the dead.

It is much worse to be disrespectful to the living. Dead really don't mind.

 Iranna wrote:

However, I find it hard to stomach that a group could be so disrespectful to the dead.

I'm quite certain that my dad wouldn't mind some lesbians kissing over his grave

 Palindrome wrote:

 Iranna wrote:

However, I find it hard to stomach that a group could be so disrespectful to the dead.

I'm quite certain that my dad wouldn't mind some lesbians kissing over his grave

I do believe I will request that specifically in my will.

 Orlanth wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:


2. Why is everyone associated with the Church of Satan always named something White Wolf-esque like Lucien Greaves or Azrael Dark...uh...stone? Why can't we ever hear from Church of Satan spokesman Frank Johnson, or Tom Smith or something absolutely common.

It's part of the culture.
Implying that names like Lucien or Azrael are copying White Wolf is as dumb as claiming Tolkien ripped off Games Workshop's ideas.



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Thing is the Pink mass will not adequately troll Westboro Baptists.



You see Christians of all stripes, and I am very reluctant to include Westboro Baptists in this but have to on this occasion; believe that Jesus offers an unmodifiable 1+ save vs Satanic magick.
There is a lot of cultural support on this in occult culture, the most clear example is that most African Voodoo magicians know better than to put a hex on a Christian missionary, though witchcraft is still believed to be potent in Africa and a threat from a practitioner is taken seriously. Nasty feedback occurs when a curse is placed on a missionary and the general concensus from the magicians themselves is the Christian missionaries (but not those of other faiths curiously enough) have special spiritual protection.

Umm...

Hate to burst your bubble, but I can confirm, from a vicar that served as a missionary in Africa, that this is not the case. On her mission she and her friends were (supposedly) cursed by the local tribe, and there were no 1+ Jesus saves there. Whilst none of them actually died (thank goodness) they were violently ill, and had to get out of the country as soon as possible.

Now, in any case I'm not a religious type (although I am open to the potential for magic supernatural beings, just not omniscient, benevolent ones) and as such am skeptical of all tales of JESUS MAGIC ,etc, but she is a very well-traveled, kind woman and I don't think she'd be likely to make something like that up or lie about it. (Of course, it's equally possible that they simply caught a disease of some form and that no magic, Satanic, Jesusy or otherwise was involved, but heck, this is a thread about black magic).


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Anyway, I take my hat off to the people behind this. If anyone deserves trolling like this, it's the WBC.

I'll agree with Monster Rain that I'd be quite partial to the idea of 2 lesbians making out over my grave at my funeral.

 Squigsquasher wrote:

Hate to burst your bubble, but I can confirm, from a vicar that served as a missionary in Africa, that this is not the case. On her mission she and her friends were (supposedly) cursed by the local tribe, and there were no 1+ Jesus saves there. Whilst none of them actually died (thank goodness) they were violently ill, and had to get out of the country as soon as possible.

Now, in any case I'm not a religious type (although I am open to the potential for magic supernatural beings, just not omniscient, benevolent ones) and as such am skeptical of all tales of JESUS MAGIC ,etc, but she is a very well-traveled, kind woman and I don't think she'd be likely to make something like that up or lie about it. (Of course, it's equally possible that they simply caught a disease of some form and that no magic, Satanic, Jesusy or otherwise was involved, but heck, this is a thread about black magic).

Oh, so you think that a voodoo curse and a disease are equally possible causes of the illness? In that case I have some magic stones that protect from black magic I'd like to sell to you on very reasonable price!

 Squigsquasher wrote:

Hate to burst your bubble, but I can confirm, from a vicar that served as a missionary in Africa, that this is not the case. On her mission she and her friends were (supposedly) cursed by the local tribe, and there were no 1+ Jesus saves there. Whilst none of them actually died (thank goodness) they were violently ill, and had to get out of the country as soon as possible.

Foreign women in rural Africa who become ill? Thats so unlikely it can only be magic!

African Voodoo Curse anecdotes wasn't something I was expecting in this thread.

Orlanth wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:


2. Why is everyone associated with the Church of Satan always named something White Wolf-esque like Lucien Greaves or Azrael Dark...uh...stone? Why can't we ever hear from Church of Satan spokesman Frank Johnson, or Tom Smith or something absolutely common.

It's part of the culture.
Implying that names like Lucien or Azrael are copying White Wolf is as dumb as claiming Tolkien ripped off Games Workshop's ideas.

Well, then it sure is a good thing I never made that claim nor even implied it, huh?

I use the term "white Wolf-esque" because while Azrael and Lucien are Hebrew and French Gothic respectively, I cannot come up with a more concise and apt description for the broad grouping of names such as Dmitry Kane or Corentin Darkmagic. You are welcome to attempt your own refinement of the 1990s Hot Topic nomenclature if you wish, but please do so without attempting to put words into my mouth.

This is hilarious, almost not worth doing but still amusing.

 Peregrine wrote:

ThePrimordial wrote:
Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism, Judaism are all composed of mixed followers so you're already wrong on one account

That's why I said "equally strong criticism" and not "the exact same criticism". The point is not that satanism and other religions are all identical, it's that they're all just as bad in their own ways.

All just as bad in their own ways.
Ok lets take an easy step: Where is the Taoist equivalent of violent large scale Jihad?
Stop making wild statements.

 Peregrine wrote:
Sorry, what? Christianity's primary tenets are an incoherent mess. The only reason anyone thinks it makes any sense is that it's been established as part of their culture for so long that they accept it without every really questioning it (while satanism is too small a minority to get that treatment).

Christianity has a lot of internal consistency, and it is extremely biased (at the very least) to claim that this is only a thin appearance assumed due to a lack of scrutiny, as nothing could be further from the truth.

 Peregrine wrote:

In my experience Satanists are easily upsettable tools or insane zealots

Thank you for proving my point very nicely. If I said "in my experience christians are easily upsettable tools or insane zealots" I'd probably be taking a vacation from the forum. But apparently satanists are an acceptable target for some reason.

If you find Christians easy to upset perhaps it has something to do with your opinions which have shown to be very intolerant of reglious people and chock filled with negative assumptions. You shouldn't be suprised if you find Chrisitans easy to upset if you say many of the things you put on your posts face to face.

 Peregrine wrote:

Dude ,Peregrine to my knowledge you're one of the few people on Dakka widely hated, just get out.

Lol.

I wouldnt go that far, Peregrine is grossly unfair in his commentaries, but that is no excuse to join him by being the same back.

 Squigsquasher wrote:

Hate to burst your bubble, but I can confirm, from a vicar that served as a missionary in Africa, that this is not the case. On her mission she and her friends were (supposedly) cursed by the local tribe, and there were no 1+ Jesus saves there. Whilst none of them actually died (thank goodness) they were violently ill, and had to get out of the country as soon as possible.

Was there any actual connection, did a magician predict effects that came true? Being violently ill while on mission in Africa is not in any way unusual.

Anyway bubble unburst, I know of at least three missionaries who have testimonies of magicians claiming that a curse rebounded due to spiritual protection and have read about several more. Its a very common story.

 Squigsquasher wrote:

Now, in any case I'm not a religious type (although I am open to the potential for magic supernatural beings, just not omniscient, benevolent ones) and as such am skeptical of all tales of JESUS MAGIC ,etc, but she is a very well-traveled, kind woman and I don't think she'd be likely to make something like that up or lie about it. (Of course, it's equally possible that they simply caught a disease of some form and that no magic, Satanic, Jesusy or otherwise was involved, but heck, this is a thread about black magic).

Hence the above question. I am open minded on the existence of Magic, but its hard to quantify because unlike formal religion there is no large scale structure and the occult crosses several culture boundaries. I am not prepared to discount all cases of 'psychics' for instance, but as there is no quantifying authority of any kind, and money to be made a large proportion is known to be directly fraudulent.

Conversely there are a large number of accounts, some backed up by independent journalist witnesses to show that something un-natural is occurring in a large number of Exorcisms. I have only known one exorcist, who practices mostly in Indonesia and he had some nasty experiences. However I have heared of nothing to lead me to believe that Satanic counter-culture we see in the west is tapped into this sort of power. I copnsider the vast majority of Satanists be be harmless members of a counter-religious social club and is just an excuse to stick the finger to organised religion. They dont concern or worry me in the slightest

Also there is to my knowledge no such thing as 'Jesus Magic'. Miracles are not the same. To quantify here there is a lot of Marian worship in Voodoo, more especially Carribean Voodoo over African. But Marianisn is not Christianity, even the catholics have formally rejected it and they are closer to Marianism than any other mainstream Christian group.

 Squigsquasher wrote:

Anyway, I take my hat off to the people behind this. If anyone deserves trolling like this, it's the WBC.

I can't argue with that, but it still wont actually troll them.

Orlanth wrote:Conversely there are a large number of accounts, some backed up by independent journalist witnesses to show that something un-natural is occurring in a large number of Exorcisms

Alex Jones is also an independent journalist witness to many things, yet somehow I fear he might not lend credibility to anything.

I feel this is appropriate at this juncture.

Now people flinging gak at people who deserve it is all well and good, but a womans grave? That's not cool or funny.

 Orlanth wrote:
All just as bad in their own ways.
Ok lets take an easy step: Where is the Taoist equivalent of violent large scale Jihad?
Stop making wild statements.

We're talking about absurdity of beliefs, not who has killed the most people. And the simple fact is that satanism is no more ridiculous than other religions, it's just considered an acceptable target because it's so small.

PS: where's the satanist equivalent of violent large scale jihad?

Christianity has a lot of internal consistency, and it is extremely biased (at the very least) to claim that this is only a thin appearance assumed due to a lack of scrutiny, as nothing could be further from the truth.

Sorry, but no. Every part of Christianity is a mess. The fundamental concept of salvation through Jesus only makes "sense" if you are told from childhood that it is obvious truth and never really question it too carefully. And it's certainly no more plausible than the stuff satanists believe.

If you find Christians easy to upset perhaps it has something to do with your opinions which have shown to be very intolerant of reglious people and chock filled with negative assumptions. You shouldn't be suprised if you find Chrisitans easy to upset if you say many of the things you put on your posts face to face.

I never said Christians were that easy to upset, I said that this forum was easy to upset. Calling all Christians "easily upsettable tools or insane zealots" would be a blatant violation of forum rule #1 and likely result in a temporary ban. But apparently satanists are an acceptable target and you can say the same thing about them without any consequences.

 Orlanth wrote:


All just as bad in their own ways.
Ok lets take an easy step: Where is the Taoist equivalent of violent large scale Jihad?
Stop making wild statements.

The Yellow Turban Rebellion. You know. Brought down the Han Dynasty and all that. No biggie.

People who play Dynasty Warriors know this

 azazel the cat wrote:

I feel this is appropriate at this juncture.

Thank you for posting this; it was glorious!

 Peregrine wrote:


We're talking about absurdity of beliefs, not who has killed the most people. And the simple fact is that satanism is no more ridiculous than other religions, it's just considered an acceptable target because it's so small.

Why is belief categorically absurd? Religion can bring value to life.

 Peregrine wrote:

Sorry, but no. Every part of Christianity is a mess. The fundamental concept of salvation through Jesus only makes "sense" if you are told from childhood that it is obvious truth and never really question it too carefully. And it's certainly no more plausible than the stuff satanists believe.

I recommend a look at C.S. Lewis (not a spoonfed unthinking imbecile) book Mere Christianity, explaining his rational conversion experience. If he can think his way into belief so can others, you see you want to assume all religious people are so because they cannot think, or wont think. It's an easy out because it allows you to handwave away religion by saying 'its all rubbish' its somewhat harder to try and say why, doing so absolves you of having to reason your own response and is frankly somewhat hypocritical.
Why should we not come to the conslusion you have been spoonfed your atheism unthinkingly if you wont back it up with anything other than blanket statements against religion or practitioners of religion..

 Peregrine wrote:

If you find Christians easy to upset perhaps it has something to do with your opinions which have shown to be very intolerant of religious people and chock filled with negative assumptions. You shouldn't be suprised if you find Chrisitans easy to upset if you say many of the things you put on your posts face to face.

I never said Christians were that easy to upset, I said that this forum was easy to upset. Calling all Christians "easily upsettable tools or insane zealots" would be a blatant violation of forum rule #1 and likely result in a temporary ban. But apparently satanists are an acceptable target and you can say the same thing about them without any consequences.

Internet posts often appear crabbier than intended, Besides most of Dakka can handle religious debate. We get trolls and InB4Lock spammers like everywhere but can handle a contentious topic better than most places on the web.


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 LordofHats wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:


All just as bad in their own ways.
Ok lets take an easy step: Where is the Taoist equivalent of violent large scale Jihad?
Stop making wild statements.

The Yellow Turban Rebellion. You know. Brought down the Han Dynasty and all that. No biggie.

People who play Dynasty Warriors know this

Yep, your right, its no biggie. We are talking 18 centuries ago; and even that was mostly a class based rebellion rather than a religious based one.


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 azazel the cat wrote:

Orlanth wrote:Conversely there are a large number of accounts, some backed up by independent journalist witnesses to show that something un-natural is occurring in a large number of Exorcisms

Alex Jones is also an independent journalist witness to many things, yet somehow I fear he might not lend credibility to anything.

Why is Alex Jones and in what way is that relevant,

 azazel the cat wrote:

I feel this is appropriate at this juncture.

Artistic but grossly unfair as a backup to a point of discussion, it provides only a highly partisan scripted facade of two points of view. It also over-relies on the myth that scientific thought is unified, and entirely rational when it is not. There can be multiple mutually exclusive extant theories on a particular subject, and storms of debate between proponents of 'pet' theories. This problem has been as old as scientific community. The Pythagorean brotherhood broke up when a mathematician was murdered by his mentor because his ordered view of numerical perfection was spoiled by the recurrent question 'what is the square root of 2?'
Truth, whatever that is, can be denied.
This statement can be taken many ways, but one way least explored but most relevant here is the mantra that if there was any evidence for religion it would be believed, or (from the video) if any part of alternative medicine was proven it would be just medicine. The miraculous occurs, but doesn't get airtime because the conclusions from an admission it exists challenges worldviews. Likewise Big Medicine might disdain a natural remedy that actually works.
This is not to say that all claims of miracles are true or we should all go 'back ' to herbalism as the cliche sterotype character from the video would suggest. Just keep an open mind, a real one, not the mantra of false open mindedness a portrayed by the supposed rationalist in the video.

 Crimson wrote:

 Squigsquasher wrote:

Hate to burst your bubble, but I can confirm, from a vicar that served as a missionary in Africa, that this is not the case. On her mission she and her friends were (supposedly) cursed by the local tribe, and there were no 1+ Jesus saves there. Whilst none of them actually died (thank goodness) they were violently ill, and had to get out of the country as soon as possible.

Now, in any case I'm not a religious type (although I am open to the potential for magic supernatural beings, just not omniscient, benevolent ones) and as such am skeptical of all tales of JESUS MAGIC ,etc, but she is a very well-traveled, kind woman and I don't think she'd be likely to make something like that up or lie about it. (Of course, it's equally possible that they simply caught a disease of some form and that no magic, Satanic, Jesusy or otherwise was involved, but heck, this is a thread about black magic).

Oh, so you think that a voodoo curse and a disease are equally possible causes of the illness? In that case I have some magic stones that protect from black magic I'd like to sell to you on very reasonable price!

Nope. Like I say, I don't really believe in magic/religion etc, but I don't discount the possibility for its existence. Most likely, it was just illness, and I am very, very skeptical of the claim, but as an agnostic maltheist I still pay it some heed, because hey, you never can be too sure. Also I find it kinda arrogant that someone would think that their religion is immune to "the evul magikz". For example, I don't believe in God, but that doesn't mean that if he does exist that I am immune to his power simply by the magic of atheism.