Fast Shot and a Gun Emplacement

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**Big Blind Bill**

a model can use one of the emplaced weapons instead of his own. Use the fireing model's bs and the line of sight of the weapon. All relevant special rules from the fireing model and weapon are used

Ha that does seem very simple, good catch. Wish I'd had my rule book with me.

**Zagman**

Big Blind Bill wrote:
a model can use one of the emplaced weapons instead of his own. Use the fireing model's bs and the line of sight of the weapon. All relevant special rules from the fireing model and weapon are used

Ha that does seem very simple, good catch. Wish I'd had my rule book with me.

This refers to pg96 for Emplaced weapons inside of buildings, this is not quite the same as pg105 Gun emplacements as part of say the Aegis defense line. Though it does show precedent for an extremely similar situation.

**DeathReaper**

MarkyMark wrote:
So this is my forum?, i am using it after all.

Defination of his

determiner
1.
belonging to or associated with a male person or animal previously mentioned or easily identified.
"James sold his business"
2.
used in titles.
"His Honor"
pronoun
1.
used to refer to a thing or things belonging to or associated with a male person or animal previously mentioned.
"he took my hand in his"

It does not belong or associated to any model.

Actually if the model is firing the Gun then it is most certainly "associated with" the model firing the weapon, so by the common definition of his when he fires the weapon it is his weapon in that he is "associated with" it

**liquidjoshi**

He fires the lascannon instead of his own weapon.

Is he firing his weapon? No, he is firing another weapon instead of it.

The rules are clear here. It's a no.

**hyv3mynd**

liquidjoshi wrote:
He fires the lascannon instead of his own weapon.

Is he firing his weapon? No, he is firing another weapon instead of it.

The rules are clear here. It's a no.

So you're ignoring the second part of this statement why?

"a model can use one of the emplaced weapons instead of his own. Use the fireing model's bs and the line of sight of the weapon. All relevant special rules from the fireing model and weapon are used"

**Kangodo**

liquidjoshi wrote:
He fires the lascannon instead of his own weapon.
Is he firing his weapon? No, he is firing another weapon instead of it.
The rules are clear here. It's a no.

The weapon he fired is his weapon, even if it's an emplaced weapon.

It doesn't matter that he doesn't really own that weapon in the fluff.
Hell, even Guardsmen and Marines don't own their weapons! They are actually from the Imperial Armoury..
But the rules don't care, they see someone firing his weapon.

**hyv3mynd**

liquidjoshi wrote:
He fires the lascannon instead of his own weapon.

Is he firing his weapon? No, he is firing another weapon instead of it.

The rules are clear here. It's a no.

If the model possesses no ranged weapon, you're saying he cannot fire an emplaced weapon?

**Zagman**

And don't forget that using the normal shooting rules that a model is considered armed with the weapon it is shooting. I'd call that associated...

And hilarious, a Thunderhammer Stromshield Termie cannot fire an AA gun, he doesn't have a weapon he could shoot to replace it with...

**DeathReaper**

Zagman wrote:
And hilarious, a Thunderhammer Stromshield Termie cannot fire an AA gun, he doesn't have a weapon he could shoot to replace it with...

This is incorrect for the same reason that saying a TH/SS terminator can not run is incorrect.

**Zagman**

DeathReaper wrote:
Zagman wrote:
And hilarious, a Thunderhammer Stromshield Termie cannot fire an AA gun, he doesn't have a weapon he could shoot to replace it with...

This is incorrect for the same reason that saying a TH/SS terminator can not run is incorrect.

I was being sarcastic, of course they can fire a weapon emplacement and of course the can run.