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Imposter101 wrote: Yes, but the specific nature of "blond hair, blue eyes", is a fairly well known aspect of the Nazi's belief in superior humans.
An "Asiatic" appearance was how they characterized all Russians, who they wanted to exterminate. The people of the planet you are quote mining from are "Asiatic" in appearance, plus they speak a language based on Russian. There's more than enough characteristics to get them sent to concentration camps if hypothetical Nazis ever invaded their fictional world.
You seem to ignore why I'm quoting these sections...
It's because both are very similar to the nature of the Nazi State, and how they divided people into sub races and created an image of genetic purity. I'm stating that these are further similarities between Sturmkrieg and the Nazi's, which you deny fervently. You must admit that these are two clear similarity's.
Also, the SS did have non-German auxiliary recruited from countries they had conquered. By the end of the war, the SS had numerous nationalities part of it's ranks.
That is a policy of the Imperium in general, a state far worse than the Nazis ever were.
You're not meaning this in a bad way.
I caution people against saying that the Imperium is worse than the Nazis because the Imperium is fictional. From a purely hypothetical and theoretical perspective, that is the case, but the wrong people use that as justification to make Nazi Warhammer armies.
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SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
So it's not insensitive that a majority of the art on Sturmkrieg is based, or has aesthetic similarities to that of Nazi Germany, and Soviet Russia? Isn't that trivialization? Alongside the odd mix of Russian and German awkwardly thrown into the language. Calling someone a 'feth' isn't helping your argument, and trying to Godwin the situation doesn't ether. I'd suggest you stop now.
I've also found the term "schwarzkommando" oddly similar to Schutzstaffel. Especially with the drawing you provided on your site.
There is nothing specifically "Nazi" at all; anyone who sees Nazis in German stuff is doing so because they want to, and that reveals a lot about them. As you may have noticed looking back at SoloFalcon's comment, he is the one to bring up Nazis, so he is the only one "Godwining" the situation.
By "schwarzkommando" I am assuming that you mean Scharzenkommando, which follows English pronouciation. (The German version is Scharsenkommando.) I completely fail to see the connection between that and Schutzstaffel, as there are no similar sounds, except for the first letter. The compound words are not even the same; SK as opposed to SS. Again, I am led to assume that this is you seeing this non existent connection because you have Nazis on the mind; I say this as someone who studies the Third Reich, and even I don't think that words like "staffel" and "kommando" sound similar.
As for your example of the drawing, I again fail the similarities:
The designs and styles are not even the slightest bit similar. The Scharzenkommando uniform is baggy, has large boots, and a drab utilitarian appearance, which is in contrast to the Allgemeine SS (the regular SS) uniform that has a tight fit, has riding boots, and is designed to function as a dress uniform.
What makes your claim even more ridiculous is that the Nazis would never have ever put women in the military.
If anyone were making a historical connection, I think this would be far more likely:
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Either way, much like the Nazi-not Nazi/Russian background for your army, you posted an incomplete project as a finished product, then provided no improvement from the criticism. There was little in terms of actual rules for your scenario past a deployment scheme and a very unclear FOC reorganization.
Bryan, I am not going to tolerate your knowingly foolish claim that the Sturmkrieg Sector is somehow "Nazi" related. You even admit that you know how incorrect it is by showing that you know that it is Russian. It is extremely trivializing to the Holocaust and offensive to compare victim groups of the Holocaust to Nazis. It doesn't make you look cute; it just shows that you're a massively insensitive feth who thinks that it's acceptable to deny the murder of 25 million people and rape of 10 million women just to make an insult.
Calm down, scharzenkommando. I was merely commenting that you tend to post incomplete projects as finished products of tour imagination, and then become confused and indignant when people comment on the holes in the plot or logic of your work.
Now, back on topic... How would the attackers be able to outflank if they are only permitted to do so in their table section? and how does the modified FOC chart work? wouldn't it be easier to refer to Cities of Death and Battle Missions for a scenario like this?
OK, yes, I'm not angry at you. That counter post above is not directed at you.
In such a situation (not saying it's going to stay) the attacker would be limited to outflanking for the beginning part of the invasion. The FOC for the defender was based around the zones of defense, where each zone would contain a self contained force. I think that there's still a good bit of flexibility with it. For example, the defender could arrange his fortifications into two defensive lines and position his forces on them where they run through each force's zone.
The Nazi uniforms are dress uniforms with peaked caps and riding boots, none of which are featured in the Scharzekommando uniform. Again, you demonstrate that you just want to see the Scharzenkommando as Nazi related. Let's also not forget the fact that the Nazis were sexist pigs who would never allow women anywhere near meaningful military roles.
Sturmkrieg wrote:As you can see, there is similarity with both uniforms. I also noticed this, exceptionally strange and creepy section on the 403rd Army Group;
Kasr Freiwehrkrieg is inhabited entirely by the "Eastern Vinter" sub-race. According to Sturmkrieg diversity laws, it will remain this way both to protect the effectiveness of the Heinrich Kernish, and to ensure ethnic diversity. The people of Freiwehrkrieg are almost without exception tall, blue eyed, attractive, strong, blond, and fair skinned; dark brown hair is a frequent, although minority trait. They are similar to the Urash and Nordyc people of ancient Terra. The common height for women is around 5'6" to 5'9". The height for most of the men is between 5'11" and 6'3"
Which fits well into the Nazi's propaganda for their ideal of a 'supreme' race, blond hair, blue eyes and a 'good' height. And then there is this....
Sturmkrieg wrote:Since the beginning of the Sturmkreig unterreich, Sascha Kreiger understood the need to protect the diversity of sub races that would develop as the people spread out across the stars. The intent was to perserve genetic diversity as well as the wide range of physical appearances. Under the diversity laws, once a planetary population becomes significantly different in appearance, it is labled a sub race. Reproduction is only permitted within the sub race in order to protect the diversity.
Once again, sub-species? Genetic diversity? This is, once again in line with the laws of the Nazi's state and their propaganda.
You quote mined an article about a single world that has a tall and blond population. You should also be aware that the same people are also Mongolian themed, and the Nazis had extreme racism against Mongolians and stereotyped all Russians as being Asiatic and Mongolian.
There are also plenty of other planets that have black and middle eastern themed populations. Not sure how much of that I've actually written, but I've had discussions here were I talked about adding black and other non white people into the Sturmkrieg Sector. Racism aside, filling the 40k universe with white people is boring and unimaginative.
You seem to ignore why I'm quoting these sections...
It's because both are very similar to the nature of the Nazi State, and how they divided people into sub races and created an image of genetic purity. I'm stating that these are further similarities between Sturmkrieg and the Nazi's, which you deny fervently. You must admit that these are two clear similarity's.
Also, the SS did have non-German auxiliary recruited from countries they had conquered. By the end of the war, the SS had numerous nationalities part of it's ranks.
I'm not ignoring your points; I'm debunking them because they're completely invalid. I'm considering deleting the "Value of Diversity Law" because it sounds stupid. Also, you miss the intent of the law, which was to protect racial diversity, not to preserve one race. The intent of the law was to prevent one race from dominating all others and to protect minority races. The Sternkampf party that was put into power by the Mechanicum and Imperium had as its goal the elimination of racial discrimination against the people of the Rotstein Subsector.
While the SS did recruit non Germans, they did not incorporate Jews or Slavs. That point would still be an irrelevant similarity. The Sturmkrieg Sector is not Nazi like because it incorporates people of different races. In fact, that's probably what most separates it from the Nazis. The Nazis would also never have passed laws enforcing genetic diversity. All other races were to be exterminated or bred out by Germans.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I should probably point out that Sturmkrieg isn't descended from Russians or Germans. It's descended from people who left Terra from Africa in the late third millennium.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Another thing I'd like to point out is that you're slandering other people in your quote mining. You start the quote sections with "Sturmkrieg wrote." What I write or another Sturmkrieg writer writes does not reflect the views of the other people who edit there. Please scroll to the bottom of the page, check the author, and properly attribute quotes. Or even better, check the page history for who wrote the specific quote.
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Lol, Nazis on dakkadakka? Inb4 gak thread gets locked
As for the scenario, having "units can leave their quarter IF they're under 25% etc" just makes the game clunky and boring. I'd find no inclination to ever play such a game and I'm sure most other players are the same.
Instead, just make the objective for the attacker to claim 'quarters'. Each quarter they have more/any scoring/units in at the end of the game is victory points for them. The quarters aren't exactly 25% of the table, rather they are sections of the defenders deployment zone.
As for the scenario, having "units can leave their quarter IF they're under 25% etc" just makes the game clunky and boring. I'd find no inclination to ever play such a game and I'm sure most other players are the same.
Instead, just make the objective for the attacker to claim 'quarters'. Each quarter they have more/any scoring/units in at the end of the game is victory points for them. The quarters aren't exactly 25% of the table, rather they are sections of the defenders deployment zone.
Yeah, I think that would be a good idea. I could also have an objective of reaching the back 6" of the table. Having capturing table quarters as an objective would prevent only half the defending army from being fought with a full attacking army.
Also, the defender zones could be changed so that units only need to be deployed in each zone. There would still need to be some sort of rule limiting how far the defender can move up, either blocking them from moving out of their deployment zone or forward of the zone the particular unit was deployed in because otherwise attack Tau and IG would end up defending.
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