Dr. Phil : Rape tweet

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**Frazzled**

Bullockist wrote:
Apparently Dr Phil has been a bad boy.

http://entertainment.time.com/2013/08/22/dr-phils-disappearing-rape-tweet/
First you see it, now you don’t. Dr. Phil—or whoever manages the TV therapist’s Twitter account—quickly deleted a controversial tweet this week, which said “If a girl is drunk, is it okay to have sex with her? Reply yes or no to @drphil #teenaccused.”

The tweet was deleted after outrage Tuesday over what appeared to be a trivialization of date rape. Responses ranged from serious attacks on Dr. Phil’s credibility to jokes at his expense. Comedians and feminist bloggers had a field day.

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Thinking of it from the other angle, since someone being drunk removes their ability to give consent is it advisable to have sex with someone who is drunk?
Obviously I'm not talking about paralytic drunk , but if someone is well under the weather, is it a wise choice considering you may leave yourself open to a rape charge ?

Will no one rid me of this meddlesome doctor?

**Alfndrate**

MrDwhitey wrote:
I'm of the opinion that sex while either party is drunk is a stupid idea.

I think the tweeted question may have given an interesting look at how many people think it's fine and dandy to have sex with a drunk person.

Then again it was an internet tweet so results would be hardly reliable.

Yes it may have been an internet tweet, but it was very clear from the get go that Dr. Phil is planning on doing an episode somewhere down the road on teens being accused of rape due to alcohol or some other such influences. It was an innocuous tweet trying to poll the people that watch Dr. Phil's show. The problem is that people looked at it and said, "DR. PHIL THINKZ RAEP IS COOL" and flew off an otherwise sturdy handle. The tweeted question is no more than any other television talk show host going, "Do you think your child may not be yours? If so send a letter to the Maury Povich Show at..." It's an informal poll that allows these show creators to generate "statistics" to add filler to their show (that some people might believe as credible and validated).

I also would have been interested to see the results of such a poll.

**Mathieu Raymond**

Seaward, d-usa: Is it possible that you're both expressing another variable in the equation but not discussing that part of it. The issue, in my opinion, cannot be resolved by only discussing levels of drunkenness and ability to give consent.

The fact that you have a long standing relationship with your wife changes the situation dramatically. There is a level of proximity, foreknowledge and likeliness of consequences that are different from a date or a college party, say.

And besides, yes, married men have forced their spouses to have sex with them drunk, or not, and it wasn't considered rape until relatively recently.

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I swear, I'm much more eloquent when speaking French.

**Dreadclaw69**

Maybe it's just my reading of the Tweet (I don't use Twitter so maybe I'm missing some subtle nuance) but it just looks like he was trying to gauge his audience's opinions on a subject. He didn't ask the question in a sensationalist way, he didn't do it in a manner that could be easily viewed as insensitive. It looks like another Twitter spat in a tea cup.

And other Dakka members rushing to judgement on each other on little information to see who can be called a rapist? Is this really the best that we can do?

**Seaward**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Seaward, d-usa: Is it possible that you're both expressing another variable in the equation but not discussing that part of it. The issue, in my opinion, cannot be resolved by only discussing levels of drunkenness and ability to give consent.

The fact that you have a long standing relationship with your wife changes the situation dramatically. There is a level of proximity, foreknowledge and likeliness of consequences that are different from a date or a college party, say.

Which is why blanket statements such as, "You can't give consent while drunk!" or, "If she's drunk, it's rape!" are too simplistic for anyone claiming the slightest bit of intelligence to buy into.

But rather than have an actual discussion about such things, we instead want to hammer some Texan over asking a serious question that implies that maybe, just maybe, it's possible to both be drunk and consent to sex.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

If two people get drunk and have sex, there's nothing wrong with that. Anything else is extremely immoral, even if the girl consents.

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Seaward wrote:
Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Seaward, d-usa: Is it possible that you're both expressing another variable in the equation but not discussing that part of it. The issue, in my opinion, cannot be resolved by only discussing levels of drunkenness and ability to give consent.

The fact that you have a long standing relationship with your wife changes the situation dramatically. There is a level of proximity, foreknowledge and likeliness of consequences that are different from a date or a college party, say.

Which is why blanket statements such as, "You can't give consent while drunk!" or, "If she's drunk, it's rape!" are too simplistic for anyone claiming the slightest bit of intelligence to buy into.

But rather than have an actual discussion about such things, we instead want to hammer some Texan over asking a serious question that implies that maybe, just maybe, it's possible to both be drunk and consent to sex.

I agree. Plus if you say that we aren't responsible for our actions while drunk, you're saying that men who commit rape while drunk aren't responsible.

**purplefood**

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If two people get drunk and have sex, there's nothing wrong with that. Anything else is extremely immoral, even if the girl consents.

So...
Sex is immoral?

**d-usa**

purplefood wrote:

Sex is immoral?

Only if you do it right.

**Alfndrate**

purplefood wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If two people get drunk and have sex, there's nothing wrong with that. Anything else is extremely immoral, even if the girl consents.

So...
Sex is immoral?

Only if you have sex with someone other than the person you're married to, and without the purpose of procreation.

**Soladrin**

purplefood wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If two people get drunk and have sex, there's nothing wrong with that. Anything else is extremely immoral, even if the girl consents.

So...
Sex is immoral?

Obviously, abstinence is the only solution, this world should be without sex.... Would certainly fix that whole overpopulation issue...

**purplefood**

Soladrin wrote:
purplefood wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If two people get drunk and have sex, there's nothing wrong with that. Anything else is extremely immoral, even if the girl consents.

So...
Sex is immoral?

Obviously, abstinence is the only solution, this world should be without sex.... Would certainly fix that whole overpopulation issue...

5/10

Alfndrate wrote:
purplefood wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If two people get drunk and have sex, there's nothing wrong with that. Anything else is extremely immoral, even if the girl consents.

So...
Sex is immoral?

Only if you have sex with someone other than the person you're married to, and without the purpose of procreation.

7/10

d-usa wrote:
purplefood wrote:

Sex is immoral?

Only if you do it right.

10/10 Would read again.

And we have a winner!

**Dreadclaw69**

Soladrin wrote:
purplefood wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If two people get drunk and have sex, there's nothing wrong with that. Anything else is extremely immoral, even if the girl consents.

So...
Sex is immoral?

Obviously, abstinence is the only solution, this world should be without sex.... Would certainly fix that whole overpopulation issue...

And war, and poverty, and global warming, and deforestation, and man made extinction etc. etc.

**Soladrin**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Soladrin wrote:
purplefood wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If two people get drunk and have sex, there's nothing wrong with that. Anything else is extremely immoral, even if the girl consents.

So...
Sex is immoral?

Obviously, abstinence is the only solution, this world should be without sex.... Would certainly fix that whole overpopulation issue...

And war, and poverty, and global warming, and deforestation, and man made extinction etc. etc.

Mass suicide it is. Glad that's been sorted.

**Dreadclaw69**

Soladrin wrote:
Mass suicide it is. Glad that's been sorted.

Don't be such a downer. We'll have the party to end all parties

**Soladrin**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Soladrin wrote:
Mass suicide it is. Glad that's been sorted.

Don't be such a downer. We'll have the party to end all parties

We should go out with a bang then?

We have lots of things that go bang.

**Dreadclaw69**

Soladrin wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Soladrin wrote:
Mass suicide it is. Glad that's been sorted.

Don't be such a downer. We'll have the party to end all parties

We should go out with a bang then? We have lots of things that go bang.

Did you think we'd just use fireworks?

**xole**

You're all bad and you should feel bad.

Also, rape is bad. Unless it isn't really rape, unless it is, unless it isn't.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

purplefood wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
If two people get drunk and have sex, there's nothing wrong with that. Anything else is extremely immoral, even if the girl consents.

So...
Sex is immoral?

If you take advantage of someone, yes. That should be anything else while drunk, but that's probably obvious.